It's hard to feel good and trust Miami Dolphins when so many mistakes have been made

Lol..no way, why would I do that, these people had nothing to do with past futility..Philbim..Sherman..Coyle..

My support will be at it's highest in the beginning, because ive compartmentalized the past, that way I give them a fair platform of support, allowing them to do their job to the best of their ability without having to spend time stressing over a hyper negative, past infused fanbase, I say that because I believe players and coaches need support to achieve their best and to have the most clarity when making decisions, once I have some data on how good of coaches they are I will then figure out my level of cautiousness.

 

Dead on IMO.

 

This is one of the worst elements of the South Florida media(and sadly now national) writing a love letter to some of the worst elements of the Dolphins fan-base. The worst song, played on the ugliest guitar.

Acting as if Dolphins fans are long-suffering is incredibly self-indulgent. It overstates how bad the team has been, and is woefully out of any sort of context of teams that have actually suffered. Lions fans have suffered. Bengals fans have suffered. Dolphins fans are just whiny.

Edit- Holy **** someone gave Dan Le Batard his own TV show? Lock everyone in ESPN headquarters and burn it down.

 

Wake, Soliai, Pouncy, Jones, hopefully Tannehill etc don't do anything for you?

 

I can easily see Kraken and Soliai gone, Pouncey is good..but does not make plays

Jones and THill?

Sure, Jones will also be a FA next yr..so buy one with a velcro name plate on it.

I suspect fans who go deeper into things (zone blocking the WCO etc) forget that at the end of the day people want to be entertained, they want to see 60 yd receptions for Td's, they want to see a 5 Td passing game, and do not really care how it was done, as long as it got done.

 

lol Now you're just going out of your way to be pessimistic. Enjoy.

 

Oh no, not at all, we've added needed pieces, esp Wallace, but do keep in mind JT was peddled twice and he is as close to a Miami icon as Marino or Csonka or Zach Thomas.

In the league no one is irreplaceable

 

His television show is unbearable, but his radio show on 790 is very entertaining.

 

Shula didn't know how to work with the old Plan B FA... Horse of different color for him and many others of that era... The biggest thing is he didn't realize what it would do to the organization in the following years... I hate to bring up bad tidings, but Wanny did worse, from a personnel view, than anything Shues did....at any rate, you said it...those days are over...Next Sept is what counts and we're still only half thru this offseason....

 

Thats fine for you and certainly your perogitive as a fan. I also agree with you that it isnt rational to hold the current staff accountable for past mistakes. However the flip side to that is you have nothing tangable to put your confidence in about this new staff. IMO the more rational approach for us the fans to take is one of optimistic caution.

The facts remain:

1.Ireland has the most senority here and while we have evidence that he may be a poor GM we really dont have any evidence to contradict it. We only have the excuse (which may be legitimate) that he was stuck under Parcels thumb for his 1st 3 years at his job.

2. We have a new owner who has never run a football organazation before and appears to be learning as he goes. I do think there is at least indications that he might turn out to be a better owner than many give him credit for but he has yet to prove it.

3. A rookie headcoach who has 1 year under his belt and showed a mediocre season with very similiar results to the last coach.

4. We have a rookie QB who has a lot to improve on before he can ce viewed with any certainity as a franchise QB

5. Last but not least (I'm just lumping all these guys together rather then break each one down) they just gutted the team of many of it starters and did do what appears to be a pretty good job at replacing them but it is unproven so far. When you think about it, the only unit that didnt have any major personel changes so far is the D Line. Basicaly they have made major changes to every part of the team.

I am not saying people should not be hopefull that these changes pay off big but as for me I am taking a wait and see approach. There is still the draft, another round of FA moves after the draft and all of training camp to go before we see the product they field this year. I think the article is saying what I have been saying, which is to wait and see how things shake out before raising your expectations. This organazation has a record of disappointing its fans and many of them can be directly linked to Ireland, Ross, and Philbin.

 

Put me in the no trust camp. I'm now in the show me stage of my Fin fandom, and I've been a fan since 1970.

Why?

Dan puts it pretty damn well:

"More to the point, Ray Lewis just got done giving the champion Ravens his 17th season after being drafted in the first round. Here’s all Miami has to show for all of its first rounds since the Ravens took Lewis: Jared Odrick, Mike Pouncey, Ryan Tannehill. Think about that. That’s 17 first rounds, and three remaining first-round players. Lewis outlasted most everyone in the league, yes, but the point is that the Ravens got a first-round pick who anchored their defense for almost two decades while the Dolphins might be about to give up altogether on a No. 1 overall pick from 2008.Worse still, Miami has made 15 second- and third-round picks since 2007, producing all of three starters still on the team, two offensive lineman (John Jerry and Jonathan Martin) and one linebacker (Koa Misi). Over the same time, the Ravens had 10 second- and third-round picks as starters on last season’s championship roster (and three backups, plus seven of their first-round picks since the Lewis draft). Baltimore gets Ray Rice in the second round; Miami gets Pat White. This Ellerbe the Dolphins were so proud of stealing from Baltimore? An undrafted free agent."

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Funny we have 3 first round players remaining, but Baltimore only has 5. One of those 5 doesn't start (Jimmy Smith, CB). Of course I doubt it'd look very good to say over 17 first rounds Miami has 3 players to show for it, while Baltimore has 5.

He also doesn't mention that Baltimore drafted 17 players in the 1st round since 1996, while we only drafted 13. So based on his reasoning we have 23% "success" in the 1st round, while Baltimore has 29%. Of course their % drops to 23.5% if you remove Jimmy Smith who isn't a starter. And if Jake re-signs we jump up to 30.7% "success."

 

LOL. Perhaps the current staff should be blamed for Ki Jana Carter as well, eh.

 

It baffles me every time you make this argument.

Since Dan Marino retired we're in the company of about 5 other teams in terms of suffering. Just because Detroit and Buffalo have suffered more than us does not mean that we haven't suffered.

25 other teams have experienced more success than us in the past 12 years. And we're in the company of only 4 other teams when talking about lack of Superbowl appearances since 1984.

no playoff victories in 13 years is hard to accomplish when 38% of the league makes the playoffs every year. And 1 playoff appearance in that time span is even harder to accomplish.

 

What's not to get? The few wins or star players this FO has had in the last 5 years are gone or going. Vontae Davis, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Sean Smith, Jake Long (?) Who is left that we can feel good about? Cameron Wake, Starks, Solia. Yeah, let's get excited about the new guys, but what proof do we have that they'll last any longer than the last?

 

Reshad Jones and Pouncey are as big (or bigger) of stars as Vontae Davis was here.

 

Yes, Pouncey I put more in the new guy category. Jones, I don't know if I'm ready to call him a "star yet" but fine. I'm sure you'll tell me Mike Pouncey will be anchor that center line for years to come. We thought the same thing about Jake Long just a year and a half ago. Who would have thought we would be talking about his departure?

Going over all these players and picks that are gone and whose talents have been wasted just makes you realize how much talent needs to be replaced and how far this team still has to go. Granted, if Tannehill can make leaps and bounds in year 2, it will cover a lot of weaknesses. If not, these Dolphins will be no better off than 2010.

 

I'm not saying either Pouncey or Jones are stars, but if you call Davis one, I don't see how those two aren't. That's all.

 

It's football man..waiting and seeing with a new staff is a passive behavior, be passive and grumpy if you wish..it's a disease that's spreads with that kind of mentality..it makes you sit in your *** and wait for something good to happen, it comes across as your entitled to something instead of just be grateful you have your own team to root for..

Go to training camp, show your support, stand on defense even though we suck at home, were the youngest football team in the league, give them some unconditional love..you might get more fans to join the party, or, you can show up late, sit while we're in defense, don't rush to get back in your seat at halftime, do these things and you will continue to get similar results..

 

comparing the past 17 years as to why your going to take your approach..that's funny to me..

What a boring article..I guess he thought he would take the time to catch up on what's going on in this culture..the fact that he doesn't blame Parcells for anything tells me he's nothing but the voice of the majority dolphin fan..

 

This new regime sucks, we never put a real defense around Marino..

 

A team has to win and the stuff you mention follows. It's not the other way around. It's no different with any other team in the NFL. Sure there are hardcore fans like yourself who will always show your loyal support, and I certainly respect that. Hell, if I lived in Florida I'd be right there with you. I'm always cheering from my living room or other stadiums within a road trip from VA. But the masses respond to winning. The masses don't create winning. That responsibility lies with the owner, FO, coaches and players. And for over a decade they have been letting the fans down.

 

I dint know coach Philbin, Sherman and Coyle and our new great owner Ross,have been letting us down for 10 years..

I'm gonna go to the game and pout until they show me something I should cheer for...so funny, so weird.

 

Where did I place all blame on the current regime?

And when did I say I'm gonna go the game and pout?

The masses need a reason to stand up and cheer. The masses need a reason to show up to the stadium. Disagree with them all you want, but that's how fandom and the NFL works. That simple.

 

"And for over a decade they have been letting the fans down"

Your telling people you understand why they are skeptical and passive when we have 4 men in new positions totally disconnected from the past of this franchises futility.

 

Am I the only one that thinks it's dorky when people put the full team name on the title? Just put "Miami", or "Dolphins." Lol

 

JJ left after the '99 season.

 

Wanny was head coach starting in 2000 through part way of the 2004 season.

 

LOL He didnt say anyone or group was solely responsible for the decade long losing streak. He pointed out how long the fans have been enduring it without assigning blame to anyone.

Here is where I think there might be a misscommunication between the superfans and the rest of us. I dont go around blaming anyone for things they were not responsible for but I also do not give them credit for accomplishments that they might achieve in the future. I have watched them lose for so long now that I no longer go into a season with high expectations. I use to be like you but I got tired of being kicked in the gut and having my heart wrenched out of my chest every week. I use to be like you back when the Dolphins were a competetive team. Guess what....... I dont give Ireland and Co. credit for those days either by giving them blind support like they are going to return us to those days just because Shula once had them.

 

The Bengals have been to a Super Bowl more recently than the Dolphins have. They've also been to the playoffs more in the past decade. There are many Dolphins fans in denial about the state and perception of the Dolphins franchise.

 

True but I think a fair argument can be made that he left things in Wannys control long before he acctually resigned.

 

Defending Ireland on St. Patrick's Day

Defending Ireland on St. Patrick's Day: Year 2

 

That's not the full picture. Nether playoff victories nor Super Bowls are the only thing, and excising overall record isn't really all that reasonable.

What you're doing is basically this and then complaining about it after:
[video=youtube;gbwjfe5BbGc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbwjfe5BbGc[/video]

 

You're scewing my words into something they're not. Saying coaches, FO, and ownership has failed over the past decade does not mean I'm assigning a decades worth of blame to the current regime. It means I'm saying all of them have failed thus far, current and past.

 

As a professional semantician, the statement highlighted in my quote just above would clearly answer where you quite obviously placed blame on all of the regimes in that last decade. To assume that the failures of the prior regimes were continued over to the present is not logical.

Further, in the five decades I have been watching football, some of the most loyal, and insanely rabid fans have been supporting consistently losing teams. Whether the fans in Miami were more perspicacious than those poor misguided souls in Chicago, Cleveland, Green Bay, Pittsburg, Philadelphia, or Washington when they played in the famine bowl each year, I doubt. Most fans in Miami have, for most of the past 40 years, been at best fair weather fans. Win, and they show up like poor in-laws at the reading of the will of a rich grandfather. Lose, they whine like spoiled brats. As it was in the beginning, it is now and ever shall be - evidently.

 

Semantics or not I disagree with your interruptation.

He clearly is speaking in plurals which could easily me he meant what he implied which was a combination of both past and present personnel.

BTW I love the you guys are "bad fans" attack just because some of us dont get all giddy over bad teams.

 

What? The analogy with the monkey makes no sense

Playoff appearances and victories are the big picture in my book, the medias book, the owners books, and most fans' books. You're actually in the small small minority if you think differently.

Making it to the Superbowl or winning the Superbowl and going 3-13 the rest of the decade is preferable by most than going 7-9 every season for an entire decade.

You can sugarcoat it anyway you want. Making the playoffs 1 time in 13 years when 38% of the league makes the playoffs every year is long-suffering....make no mistake about it

 

I don't give them blind support, but I give new front office people, new owners, new coaches a clean slate til I have enough data to have an educated opinion..it's common sense, show me first attitude is weaknass fandom, it shows me the person is holding a grudge...those fans don't deserve a football team.

 

Sorry, I just was taking some of the things you phrased and made an example if how I feel in general.