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Miami Draft Strategy

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Boomer, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    My son (6th grade) won the Pi day contest at his school yesterday by reciting 146 digits.
     
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  2. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Against that my efforts would be to smother Austin, play soft against Wallace and hope to get fast pressure on RT so he doesn't have time to throw deep. Of course, they could probably throw it hot to Wallace on a quick slant and I'd be screwed. And if Miami had a receiving TE that could open quick, short then it would really be a pick your poison.
     
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  3. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Nice! Most I ever knew was 100, and that was 8th grade.
     
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  4. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Well, after you invite me to come to Bermuda for a 3 month vacation at your house, so I can meet some of your wife's sisters or mixed lady friends, then I guess I could change my top 2 favorites, to a top 3... :shifty:
     
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  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    They'd have to trade up and I'd be more worried Buffalo or the Jets take him. If we don't get him I hope we don't have to defend him 2x a year for the next 10 years or so.
     
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  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Trufant is a caged tiger, he needs press man in his life, or he'll die.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Imo besides lovin the hell out of our team, makin friends and laughing,that is the foundation of what we do here, and what makes this site special, and why it's more accurate than anything link to any site you can post.
     
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  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Along with his many elite skills, Tavon Austin has an Olympic cardiovascular system, when you watch his games in their entirety, you start to notice that this mother will not stop running, and Holgerson knows it, and exploits the defense because of it..the 2nd half you start to feel sorry for the opponent, cause he just doesn't stop..lil Space and and the slightest fatigue by the opponent, your toast..

    Like you said Vt, it's about the ying and yang, stretch them deep, hit them underneath, with this kind of speed, quicks, and open field vision, shoot man, that's how you build an offense conceptually..Throw some hot sauce on that mother with Lamar and his speed and cutting ability..

    I always have to mention EIfert when I talk about Tavon, just so were equally excited for either, I think the dynamics are a bit different with Eifert but this dude exploiting the deep middle, and with his size matchup against 2nd corners on the perimeter, equally effective.

    This is just a highlight tape, but it shows all the qualities of this kids elite skillset.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mqJRd3mN01w

    1st play..watch the box ability.

    2nd play..watch how he finishes the run with a spin move at the end.

    3rd..watch the way he runs the route.

    4th..watch the hand fighting and the abillity to leap over the defender without interference.

    5th..sick block and very good technique to finish.

    Etc etc.

    Without question imo, an elite tight end prospect..first off the board, and nobody will care that we used the 12 th pick on him after one year.
     
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  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You give me Austin, Eifert and Lacy I will openly weep in the fetal position..that's my dream draft..with Wallace it's absolutely perfect complimentary harmony, the speed to stretch vertically and horizontally, Eifert between, down and all up in the hashes, and Lacy poundin fools in open space...I'd call it the submission offense..
     
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  10. Fineas

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    We share the same vision for the offense. No huddle, multiple formations with the same basic set of players. Stretching the field and creating mismatches. Integration of more zone read stuff.

    I'm curious as to your opinion of Margus Hunt. I know you have strong ideas about players' physicality and build. Hunt fascinates me because at 6-8, 277 and running a 4.6 40 with 38 bench reps (despite an 82 inch wingspan), he is an absolute physical freak. He's a little older and has only been playing football for a few years, but he's progressed pretty nicely. The fact that he is such an accomplished shot put and discus guy tells me he is capable of tying together his incredible physicality with technique. And although he is not a truly great player yet, he flashes some amazing stuff.

    [video=youtube;72SLCNaHJco]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72SLCNaHJco[/video]

    I think he has some scheme versatility as he can rush from the inside or the outside and from both sides. His kick blocking prowess is incredible (17 blocked FGs and XPs in college) and is reason enough to have him on a roster and the way he knifes through the middle of the line on kicks can be put to equally effective use on regular downs. He can also be a JJ Watt type pass deflector. He's clearly a guy who takes care of his body and seems like a hard-working guy who will continue to improve. He does play too high sometimes, but he seems to have enough flexibility to improve on that. I could see him becoming one of the best pass rushers in football in a few years.
     
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  11. Lee2000

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    Being a USM graduate as well as a Georgia graduate, I got to see him play in person as well. His measures do no match his effort on field. He is currently viewed as an under achiever. You take him and he is a boom or bust player. Real risk.
     
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  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Trufant looks perfectly capable of playing zone or man with equal ability to me.
     
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  13. rtl1334

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    If they think they can bulk Austin up to 190ish w/o losing any of his movement ability, then he is a no brainer at 12. 174 lbs gives me pause though. Having said that, his movement ability in an up tempo offence would be devastating. He'd be tough enough to stop when fresh let alone when you're wilting in the Miami heat.
     
  14. Fineas

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    I don't see him as an effort problem. He has underacheived his physical ability, but much fo that is because his physical ability is pretty incredible. He's only been playing football for a few years. And it is not like he was ineffective last year at all. 8 sacks and 11.5 tackles for loss is pretty good. Better than other top DE prospects like Ansah (4.5 sacks and 13 TFLs) and Dion Jordan (5 sacks and 10.5 TFLs). Not to mention all the kick blocks, which are absolutely huge plays. It is not uncommon for DLs to take time to develop. Even the more productive of the DE prospects were less productive in 2011 than Hunt was in 2012, even though those guys have been playing football their whole lives and Hunt first started in college. He may never become the truly great player that i think he is capable of, but I don't see much risk that he is a true bust, especially considering he is not expected to get picked in the first round. With his size, strength and reach he should at least be able to become an effective run stopper and IMO his kick blocking is worth a roster spot in itself.
     
  15. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    That's insane. I can barely remember my own phone number.
     
  16. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    That's why I say go all in and make a move to get both Austin and Eifert.
     
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  17. Da 'Fins

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    Depending on what St. Louis does with Long, they and the Vikings could be players for Austin (And both have ammo to trade up). If Long does not go to the Rams - then I think the Rams will try to trade up to get the 3rd OT if one falls to 8-10.

    I wonder, however, if (in the Dolphins mind) the signing of Brandon Gibson eliminates the possibility of their going WR in round 1 ...

    I think that opens up the idea of CB or DE at 12 with a possibility (again, depending on Long's decision) of going OT (in such a case I think they'd have to trade up) or possibly one of the OG's if they are available.

    Thoughts on Gibson adding weight that they won't go WR in round 1? (Given other needs).


    I still like the idea of Austin (or Patterson) in round 1 at some point. I don't like DE at 12. CB makes sense (but, the passion for explosiveness on offense in me makes me want to go offense). But I also like OG at 12 if we stay there.
     
  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You can barely remember BR-549?
     
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  19. Drowning

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    I feel you on this minus the creating mismatches. This offense has shown me nothing but the contrary. But yeah bro, definitely feel you on that. And I'm on board with anything that'll up the chances of tanne upping his skill/confidence because that's the real key in this entire scenario IMO.

    My beef is that we may have too many important holes to fill for a luxury pick. That's all. That's the only thing that scares me about Austin. Nothing about Austin or Austin at 12 scares me about Austin.

    Also, I really, really like the possession receiver Patterson is- a lot. Watching how they used him reminds me a lot of how we used marshal, lots hooks, quick hits, etc. I like his hands and he has deceptive speed. Plus check out this guys ability to run after the catch. His vision is ridiculous. And he's a junior for the love of all things holy. I watch Patterson highlights and one of the many voices in my head snarls with sarcasm, "and you like the shrimp?"

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjxkQXlCAfE
     
  20. Drowning

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    Breaking news to me. Haven't been on pft yet. This happen today during work hours? I was on pft this morning and didn't see it then.

    This is either the ploy of the year or the nail in the coffin IMO to Austin or Patterson in Miami. I don't see how Ireland could justify- to himself even let alone the organization- taking a wr with the 1st pick. If he does, it's the thumb of the top floor. Youve inked 3 wrs in free agency 2 for serious cash, you,re without a starting blind side tackle and #1 cb and you're gonna take a wr with your must be grand slam not just instant contributor but proven talent starter #1? Unless Ross is waiving his ***** around posturing," worst wr core in the nfl? We'll show them!", no way on wr even with the early 2 pick.

    Eifert makes a lot more sense now and also not even. The wholes are too important for a te at 1 even as impressive as eifert is. does Keenan Allen last till 3?
     
  21. Drowning

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    And Dustin Keller? Just saw. Writing on the wall.
     
  22. SICK

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    lmao. I live in charlotte nc, and I for some reason thought they drafted before us. Jesus /slap myself on the wrist
     
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  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The only things that will convince me that Austin is off the table is if Ireland says so or if they extend Bess
     
  24. Drowning

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    I agree that would make it officially 00.00% but you have to admit the chances of wr with a first has drastically reduced. Look, I was excited for a young offensive weapon- more for Patterson but Austin just as well. It doesn't make much sense now. It doesn't. Sign grimes and long and I think those chances drastically increase once more.
     
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    I concur given the amount of time we have given him both at WV with visits and inviting him to Miami very recently.
     
  26. surferosa

    surferosa Balance and Vision

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    Does anyone project Chance Warmack to be a Right Tackle? Or is he a Guard all the way?
     
  27. Bpk

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    And with the addition of Keller we now have that.

    Wallace Austin Keller Hartline with Miller in the backfield and a QB who can hurt you with his legs.

    I'm not sure how I stop that unless the players are making execution mistakes.


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  28. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    COMPLETELY AGREE. With Wallace & Keller stretching defenses thin I could easily see Austin tallying 80+ offensive touches, 1000+ scrimmage yards, and 6 or 7 TDs as a rookie. Easily. With his experience level in the slot I think we'd be able to tailor plays early on to fit what he already knows, whereas most receivers we'd have to teach them the position and make them conform to their new role & playbook. His length to impact should be minimal at most.
     
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  29. ToddPhin

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    It would be a great time/opportunity to let Eifert groom a year.
     
  30. ToddPhin

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    ... or you could say Ireland, Philbin, and Sherman appear committed to spreading it out, in which that case the argument could be stronger for Austin, not weaker.
     
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  31. ToddPhin

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    guard IMO
     
  32. GMJohnson

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    I agree with your complete agreement, he'd be an awesome pickup, in the 2nd round maybe.

    The issue for me is what you describe. Keller and Wallace must be respected no matter who we have in the slot. Austin is a special talent but IMO we can get a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round who can take advantage of those opportunities just fine. Stedman Bailey and Ryan Swope come to mind. Bess isn't exactly a scrub, either. R1-12 should be spent on a premium position, CB, DE, OT, maybe DT or LB if there's a stud available. As good as he might be, I don't think Austin has the same value as the other guys who will be available.
     
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  33. Bpk

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    If we spread it with three wide, Austin in the slot, Keller split out... Then I think the style of offense we are running will live or die on how good the guards are.

    To me, that reduces the normal importance of the tackles to almost equal the importance of the guards.

    Again, IF we plan to utilize a significant amount of four wide spread.

    How mobile is Warmack though? I wonder, if Lane Johnson made it to 12, could he be an option at either Tackle OR RG depending on which he plays better in mini camp?

    A mobile guard, Austin and Keller in the slots... Miller.

    Holy crow, the screens, dumps, pulls, inside shovel passes, draws, inside zones we could run. Dang.


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  34. GMJohnson

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    Yep. You don't pass on starter quality players at CB, DE, OT for a slot receiver. You just don't.

    Our corners are Patterson and Marshall. Our OTs are Martin and Garner. I'd be more worried about that if I was Ireland.
     
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  35. GMJohnson

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    I'd stop that by knocking the snot out of Tannehill b/c as it stands right now he doesn't have a whole lot of protection.
     
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  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Right now Miami has three players that are players that one would call, "Playmakers." Those players are Wallace, Miller and Thigpen. One of those is a little question mark, and the other is a HUGE question mark. Austin is more than just a slot receiver. If Miami REALLY wants to run a high octane, high scoring offense, having players who are able to be in a high octane, high scoring offense would help. He also has 2 2nd round and 2 3rd round picks, WITH a potential for 2 4th round picks. Depending if Miami gets one from losing Langford. Which increases the chance of getting quality starters at CB, DE and OT. However, I am not convinced Miami is going to be looking for quality starter for DE since they have Odrick and I do believe they are going to rely on Vernon some more.

    Also with OT, there is still Long, Vollmer and Winston. I wouldn't be too concerned until all three of those players are taken.

    CB also has some decent 2nd round prospects with some pretty good free agents still out there.

    Last season, Miami ran a play with Bush in the slot, he would go into motion and they would either fake the hand off or hand the ball off with him going full speed. Right now the only player who is quick enough to run that play is Thigpen. I am excited by the prospect of Austin running that play, Wallace going deep and Hartline/Gibson working the middle.
     
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  37. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Put him in motion.

    I also think there is a chance that Samuda strengthens up and plays RG and kicks Jerry to RT, who is actually pretty good at pass blocking.
     
  38. ToddPhin

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    If we want JUST A SLOT RECEIVER then yes I agree with you wholeheartedly.... but if Ireland & Co are actually looking for an Xfactor to fill a specific role, then Swope & Bailey aren't it. IMO Ireland wants more than just a slot receiver; he wants that Xfactor who can do more than just going out on typical slot receiver routes. That's the difference IMHO. Is it worth spending the 1st to get all the fun stuff Swope & Bailey simply can't offer? I think it is, but that's just me.... and I think Ireland feels that way, too. The offense we can run with Austin on the field in the slot is quite different than one substituted by Swope or Bailey. To me, it's drastic enough to where there's a fork in the road and we're deciding if we want to go left to Awesomville or right to Normalville. Personally, I want Tavon Awesomeville.

    I don't think he's 2nd round though. IMO he's firmly planted in the top 15 talents of this draft, but with Wallace & Keller on the field I feel it bumps his value even higher.
     
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  39. GMJohnson

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    That's certainly possible. Or maybe Long comes back or Winston signs on. As long as protecting the QB is priority 1.
     
  40. Rouk

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    how do the dolphins feel about Misi is there any chance they go LB or is that too high to draft Ogletree
     
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