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Latest News on Dustin Keller

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Onehondo, Mar 14, 2013.

  1. HULKFish

    HULKFish Artist and Scribe

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    I agree, though I have no idea who Kelce is... I don't watch college ball, so this time of year is catch up.

    Keller is a good solid TE. I think Egnew would be a pretty huge bust if he does nothing this summer. I would love to get Keller and see a trade for Finley around the draft! Have a Keller/Finley combo! That would be amazing!
     
  2. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    I've never been very impressed with Keller. But, if they can sign him to a decent deal, he's a stop-gap who may do better in Miami's offense than the Jets.

    The advantage of getting a TE like Keller is we won't go into the draft with a "must get TE" situation (which hinders our ability).
     
  3. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I've got misgivings about his blocking and height, but Keller is the most productive and consistent receiving target on the market. He's also done so under arguably the worst circumstances.

    Jared Cook, Brandon Myers, and Fred Davis and have had similar levels of productions, but they're neither as consistent nor have the same track record.

    It's hard not to like Bennett's blocking, but you should certainly be wary of him. If he went to Chicago and didn't perform as well while the Giants replaced him with someone considered just a guy, it'd only be how many times in a row now?

    I'd prefer a 6'5" blue chip producer who can block, but that's not what is available.
     
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  4. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Actions speak louder than words... and we've gone after 2 different TEs in the last 2 days. TE is a priority...
     
  5. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Or he's simply offering public support for the player... which he should do, regardless of what he feels behind closed doors?
     
  6. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    After what Ireland has been doing this offseason, I'd expand on what you said and say perhaps Irish and Philbin both feel there is something that hasn't come out with Egnew yet... Irish has done, what appears to be, a better job of getting players his coaches want and not afraid to replace guys that he's acquired in the past.... So, maybe the braintrust does feel there is something there with Egnew...don't get me wrong...I, like most other fans, haven't seen it, but hey...stranger things have happened...
     
  7. PHINANALYST

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

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    the reality is that we 'shouldn't' go into the draft without a starting caliber TE in the fold ....

    to me, Keller is that best option ... forgetting 'size', he is productive and consistent. his only drawback is health.

    Having Keller as a starter, having Clay and whatever comes of Egnew ... and then picking up Kelce or McDonald (who i really like) -- not a big Ertz fan; provides us a year to develop Egnew\Kelce\McDonald or Eifert for that matter, without having to rely on them.

    I still believe at least on offense, that this regime is trying to surround Tanny with proven talent ... and not rookies to facilitate his growth over the next 2 years.

    We are building this team for a run over the next 3-5 years ....
     
  8. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Why do you think your first statement is true?
     
  9. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would hope that targeting Dustin Keller is not a reaction to Martellus Bennett and Jared Cook landing elsewhere. I'm not a fan of Keller, unless they're planning to use him as a supped-up version of Charles Clay in that H-Back-ish role...but I'd still rather they draft a TE.
     
  10. dWreck

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    I'm hoping they pick up Keller and don't lose vision of TE in the draft, regardless. maybe not #12 but still. All boils down to eggynew (lel)
     
  11. Finsanity247

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    Dustin Keller > Anthony Fasano.......
     
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  12. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I don't think signing Keller precludes them from drafting a TE, especially if Escobar is tops on their TE board.
     
  13. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I wouldn't say that.
     
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  14. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Apples vs Oranges.

    I'm still sad to see Fasano go.
     
  15. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    I think it's widely accepted that Dustin Keller isn't even an average blocking TE. But I'm not sure it matters so much.

    The Jets running game fared just fine (top 5 in the league for 2-3 consecutive years IIRC) with Keller as a starting TE.

    IMO, too much is being made about the blocking of a TE Miami is to pick up.
     
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  16. sandcastle

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    You need to watch film of Keller when he played with Braylon Edwards. Keller's best route is to quickly slant toward the vacated spot of the CB. Too often, it look as if Sanchez treated the TE as a safety value with throws that turn the route into a curl or left little room on the sideline for YAC. It also seem as if the staff would get on Sanchez to quickly hit Keller, who must of had a great 1st step as he seem to able get separation in the 1st few yards, but he usually had an awkward looking Sanchez make a poor throw.

    With some many big, seam busting TEs catching everyone's attention, the Ben Watson type of TE goes under-appreciated although he's been consistently getting open to move the chains and provide an end zone target. Mind-numbing, drive-killing turnovers are overlook when TEs as Bennett run routes like a large WR. However, for the Dolphins, a TE can that move that chains might be an important component as Wallace and Hartline are not feed-the-ball slant WRs.

    I've struggled to identify a TE similar to Keller as his athleticism shines greatest on short routes. In some ways, he liked Davone Bess where he can do the most damage near the start of the play and becomes ordinary was the defenders start running step for step. The big difference is that a TE can pick up easy yards from base formation. Randy McMichael might be another as a recall the press conferences after every loss of needing to take more down-field chances. If only the staff and an accurate QB balanced the running game with short passes to McMichael and Walker, play-action deep passes would have happened. Instead, too often McMichael and Walker were used as safety-value receivers on 3rd and long.
     
  17. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    In this offense, I would
     
  18. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Fact is, most Dolphins fans would have cut Jermichael Finley after his rookie year if this gives you any perspective. Finely was probably 6 games into his second season before the light went on for him.
     
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  19. Tone_E

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    Martellus Bennett is a great talent, but lets not forget his poor work ethic and bad attitude that sent him out of Dallas. He was fine in NY, but he was on a 1 year deal. What happens when you give him a nice contract? We shall see, but his past is enough of an amber flag for me that given the circumstances I'd rather take Keller who can match Bennett's production.
     
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  20. Bpk

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    Every time I think Egnew should be cut this year, I look at his combine numbers again:

    6' 5"
    252lbs
    4.52 40-yard dash
    21 reps bench
    36" vertical

    And I am like "**** that, teach this guy whatever he needs to learn because he could be amazing and unstoppable!"
     
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  21. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Vernon Gholston was quite the athelete.
     
  22. unifiedtheory

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    You are correct. Cutting the guy now would be dumb. If we did, someone would pick him up tomorrow based on measurables. His measurables will get him 3-4 chances.

    He gets another training camp and if he shows ANYTHING he gets another season.

    How much would people be freaking out if we waived him a week into camp, he signed somewhere else and became a competent player?

    Patience.
     
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  23. Hurricane

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    Matt Jones had a brighter future.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Matt Jones never caught a pass in college.
     
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  25. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Heres the thing about Egnew....

    Everything we have heard about him....his lapses..etc..is hear say. We really have no idea if half of what was being said is true....most often its not. He may have just needed a year to mature, and our coaches felt like, in the long run, it would benefit him.
     
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  26. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Matt Jones shouldn't have been drafted where he was.
     
  27. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Well, that's true and could be why Fasano was expendable. Philbin uses his TEs more as receivers and not as blockers, as with most vertical offenses... Keller probably will fit in nicely here, but I suspect that the draft will yield at least one in the those top 5 picks... It would not surprise me if we have 4 or 5 TEs by training camp....
     
  28. Hurricane

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    You seem to be confusing past with future.

    Even if he wasn't, Egnew was drafted in the 3rd round. That's not relevant, though.
     
  29. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    You seem to be confusing sense with nonsense
     
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  30. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Nor passed on a line! That was the big problem!
     
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  31. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I'm so glad i work from home. Cause I laughed out loud on that one.
     
  32. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I'm not. I do find it funny that he was the very first unrestricted free agent to sign on Tuesday though.
     
  33. Hurricane

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    Creative.

    Based on what? Matt Jones was decent in the games he played and possessed far better measurables.

    Was Matt Jones taller? Yes.
    Was Matt Jones faster? Yes.
    Was Matt Jones almost cut in camp? No.
    Was Matt Jones almost cut during his first season? No.
    Was Matt Jones almost cut during his first offseason? No.
    Did Matt Jones earn a substantial role in his first year and beyond? Yes.
    Did Matt Jones learn how to run routes and catch passes? Yes.
    Did Matt Jones have a lower drop percentage than guys like Ochocinco, Burress, Horn, and S.Moss? Yes.

    I suppose that you can't truly compare the two, because they play(ed) different positions, but I never attempted to do that. I simply said that after 1 year in their respective careers, Matt Jones' stock was far higher, and he eventually burned out--no pun intended. You can go find some arbitrary statistic to go prove me wrong, but don't you dare bathe in the fact that "Oh Matt didn't catch in college," because that's an irrelevant pile of dreck. Actually, it makes the fact that Matt Jones had and will have had a better career than Egnew all the more damning. Beyond that, what the hell does that have to do with his future if it didn't inhibit his natural ability? We have a QB that made the reverse transition just fine, and you have guys like Gates and Graham that spent more time playing basketball than football. You really woke up this morning and said "I have nothing to do, so I'm going to go on ThePHINS and troll," didn't you?
     
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  34. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    One of the things that keeps running through my head is that historically, rookies were not expected to step in and set the world on fire. Most of the history of the league seems to mitigate against that thinking. Yet in this era, it seems that unless a rook comes in and astounds us, he is useless and should be kicked to the curb. How many of today's legends would not survive that mentality when they came in the league? The current idea of immediate gratification in almost everything has all but smothered the idea of allowing players to learn and grow into their position at the professional level. That is roughly akin to taking a raw recruit fresh out of bootcamp and making him commander of a squad or platoon - and expecting him to excel. Some might, but the vast majority of us take more than a year to adjust to a new level of work - as it should be.

    Egnew has had one year in the system - and a year which was the rookie year for the head coach. Lord ha' mercy - give the guy a chance.
     
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  35. Gunner

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    Come on guys. You just can't deny the impact Egnew had on our inactive list every week :shifty:
     
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  36. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    moving him from qb to tight end only got him closer to the line :shifty:
     
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  37. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    No I woke up and saw someone mention Matt Jones in a place where mentioning Matt Jones is nonsense, then mentioned the fact that mentioning Matt Jones in that situation is nonsense, as nonsense.

    Matt Jones was cut when they tried to make him into a tight end. If Egnew was going to play receiver, then sure, there is a reason to bring him up. A small unsubstantial reason, but at least it would make some sense.
     
  38. Hurricane

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    Actually if you were diligent enough to follow along the conversation, you'd know that I was arguing against the premise of rostering a player solely based upon measurables. The Matt Jones comparison is far more apt and founded than the Vernon Gholston one above. God, poor you.
     
  39. Da 'Fins

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    Yes. Jones issue was not talent - it was being a drug addict.

    I don't have confidence in Egnew as a starter. But, if we can get Keller in the fold, Egnew still might develop.

    And, I still like Charles Clay as a reserve, spot player. Especially now that Wallace will garner two players on deep routes.
     
  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I got that, it was just a waste of my time because it had little to do with the situation. I am sorry your skin is a little thin. Jones also had a substance abuse problem
     

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