Exactly, for all of the "just draft someone stuff" Exhibit A: Theodore Ginn jr He was really fast as well, heck for fun compare say Austin's film to his, but it just did not translate. Now what I don't like is the provable fallacy of a "get a expensive Wr to help your young Qb develop" Doesn't work like that, Mike Wallace the deep threat and Td producer? Sure Mike Wallace to make Ryan Tannehill better? How did that work for Josh Freeman in Tampa this past season? What does scare the crap out of me is skipping on Te's, at least sign Keller, but just suspect Ireland just believes he can pick Te's based on Witten..and he really has not shown he can draft them for crap, since Fasano anyway and that in the mid 00's. Also not wild about trading out Dansby and Burnett for Ellerbe and Wheeler, that cap hit could have added more pieces and basically they are similar players.
I think you can make a pretty good argument that Josh Freeman improved from 2011 to 2012. His TD:Int went from 16:22 to 27:17 and his ypa went from 6.5 to 7.5. I am extremely wild about swapping out Dansby and Burnett for Wheeler and Ellerbe. Got two more young explosive players who are in their stride instead of on their way down. Also, not much of a cap hit as Wheeler lowered the cap and I believe Ellerbe did as well. he does in the future at least.
Oh ok. Never heard him referred to be a regular name before. So he has a beautiful daughter that may like to make the acquaintance of a distinguished older gentleman? Well, I suppose on my way back from Bermuda where I'm planning to bunk in with Con for a few months, I could stop off in Jersey.
Skip on tight ends? By all accounts Ireland aggressively pursued Jared Cook and simply lost out. It is also day one of free agency. I think it is a tad early to classify us on having skipped on tight ends. Now if we go into the season with Clay, Egnew and a project tight end, I think you have your argument, but I am willing to bet that that doesn't happen. I do agree withyou about Kellerthough,although I think I am higher on him than most others here. Simply getting that guy off the Jets is worth a victory a year for us. That guy kills us.
I think he does a good job of running up on corners toes when their playing him off man, I've seen him break in the right direction when he senses the corner has turned in the slightest, I think where his troubles come into play is that he hasn't been taught the fundamentals of the route tree in a west coach offense, sometimes I see him break on a speed route off the wrong foot, which indeed rounds it a bit, but that is a simple adjustment that any receiver with this kind of raw ability can learn.. I'm just gonna give him a chance to learn how to position his body correctly thru discipline and technique..usually the most talented ones can learn stuff like that..let him hang around Davone Bess in training camp, he'll feel stupid not being disciplined.
Greg Jennings. Greg Jennings sister is good looking: https://www.google.com/search?q=gre...Y&biw=1920&bih=930&sei=Qi1AUbT6F9LJ4AOcx4D4Ag I would imagine that is what they were referring to. Padre, I am actually really happy with these pickups because 1) Ellerbe + Wheeler are just as fast if not faster than Dansby + Burnett, 2) good blitzers, 3) younger/entering prime instead of on their way out of it, 4) net savings of $800k on this year's cap, and 5) passing league; coverage linebackers are needed especially in a division with Gronkowski+Hernandez. TBH, I am glad we did not bite on any of the TEs aside from Delanie Walker and Jared Cook...Better to look at the draft and Ertz/Eifert then sign what is remaining. What I feel we REALLY need is Keenan Lewis from PIT to start at CB. Steal him from the Browns and I will be ecstatic.
You keep saying this. You keep pigeon holing Mike Wallace at every. single. turn. It's becoming borderline obsessive, all while you are using opinion, an opinion that you seem to feel is solid concrete proof Sometimes we feel incredibly strong about a player, yes, but we have to be open that maybe there is something we see or don't see when someone has a different opinion than we do. I get that. I've come around to certain players after a discussion with another member while sharing what I've seen on a player. It can happen! But in the case of Mike Wallace, I'll say this. You keep talking about the guy like he's Ted Ginn or Clyde Gates. Guys who can simply outrun defenders. This is wrong. Flat out wrong. There's a reason Mike Wallace was the #1 WR in free agency and they are not even being discussed as afterthoughts. And that's because there is way more to Mike Wallace than you're willing to admit. I see a guy who makes 1) the tough catch 2) in traffic 3) when the game is on the line, performing when you absolutely must 4) demonstrating far more than what appears to be just "blind speed" (although, he has that as well. I see vision. I see hand/eye coordination that Ted Ginn wishes he had. I see body control and field awareness. Where do I see it? In his game film. I'm seeing vision combined with speed, vision that allows him to turn a simple slant route that should have gone for 12 into one that goes for 53 and 6 points. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPTFusnXDso I'm seeing a guy who is thought enough of by his quarterback that when the game is absolutely on the line in the red zone (you know, a place you said Wallace does not score?) make one of the most difficult catches I've seen in a while. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6vaR0nobrU Here's the hand eye coordination. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6nMMrlfDPg Here I'm seeing 1) a very tough contested catch in traffic (0:27) I'm seeing MORE evidence of his ability to make the difficult catch while maintaining fantastic body control (1:03) I'm seeing an eye for the first down marker (1:08) I'm seeing him come up with balls that are a tad underthrown, with a CB in his face, and making the grab for 6 (2:25) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDz1e_QzswE I see all of that, and then I come here and read you constantly attack the guy saying he's nothing more than speed. Speed speed speed one dimensional franchise ruiner fireland blah blah turn the record over already chatter. I don't see it. Maybe you see what I've highlighted and handwave all of it, and that's fine. I just ask that you be open to the idea that maybe there's something you're missing, and that maybe this isn't the apocalypse in Miami you seem to have convinced yourself of.
http://youtu.be/jDz1e_QzswE?t=1m30s <--- This is why a guy like Wallace scores TDs while Hartline doesn't. also a few jump balls in there that he's supposed to be bad at
Man we totally overpaid for Wallace, a player who whos stats have gotten progressively worse over his last 3 years. He's a lazy, non team player too. Right there with Desean jackson.
Well we could have offered him less and he could have ended up in Minny. That would allow you to come here and rant about Ireland not making a move for a #1 WR blah blah blah. Its FA day one. Did you expect a big move without overpaying???
Why do people act like the franchise is spending their money? Who cares? We have the cap space to pay. Wallace was pretty much the unanimous best WR in the FA pool.
Because contracts dont only impact one season. Having cap space this year doesnt mean you wont be in cap hell next.
Signing a top tier WR on day one of free agency doesn't automatically mean you will be in cap hell next year, either Also nice to hear its actually 12 mil per. not 13. pretty happy with that.
I agree was just commenting on two posters one who says we over spent and the other with the " its not our money" post
Are people still arguing about Wallace? Jesus....move on at this point.... They need corners, so lets argue about that...
I think the fact that Hartline tweeted how happy he was about the impending signing of Wallace speaks volumes about how bad our WR corps were last year. I'd like everyone to think about that for a second, Hartline was ecstatic to be demoted by bringing in Mike Wallace, because our WRs were THAT bad last year.
And, contracts can be adjusted or can be voided in the big dollar years of the contract. If the guy becomes our savior, it can be restructured and if the guy turns into a bust, it can be voided, just like Burnett and Dansby were... IF Tanny becomes what we like to think he will become, they'll have a big contract for him 2015/2016 to pay for...that will about the time that Wallace's contract needs adjusting...things can be done and who knows, by that time we may have already traded him for 2 - 3rd round picks because of his attitude ?? (being facetious).... It's all relative and yes, a team can get into cap hell, just like we were after Sabanator left...It can be overcome...
We aren't really saying different things. Things will open up for him because he won't be main the guy anymore.
I was one of them. I just think its confirmation of that of when one of the culprits knows it and is actually happy its changing, even if it means his role is changing.
He was forced into that role and yes, I said I would like to have seen more td's but he wasn't the problem with the passing game imo.
I disagree. I'm not saying he consciously tried to not score, but he is simply not capable of it. He knows that. Its why he's happy Wallace is here. That's my point.
He's happy, I'm happy and most with half a brain are too. But if it wasn't for Hartline carrying the wr load in absence of a true #1 or record would have been even more dismal. I'm not down on him, he did what he could.
That's not a slant. That's a shallow cross that he got a poor start on. Good thing he had speed to bail him out of a bad route and wasn't in a timing offense. Another poor route. I don't think he even tried to sell the route here. This was a better pass than route run. Notice how long it takes him to transition on the double move. Because of this, he was unable to generate any separation on the DB. Good catch, but once again, this was not a precise route. Let me give you a few examples of the crispness that I'm talking about relative to route running. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGg8Wu50k3I Don't pay any attention to the results of the play, which was a TD catch with Troy Polamalu waiting to hammer him. Notice the release off the line. I've watched a ton of film on Mike Wallace, and I haven't seen a release like that yet. Jennings sells the route here, and then once he is on the defender, he makes the bend without breaking stride. Very, very crisp. Perfect route. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000122533/Greg-Jennings-32-yard-catch Another perfect route. You can tell the difference between how Jennings sells this route vs the first route you posted on Mike Wallace.
Wallace's contract is going to be a much bigger cap hit than Dansby's or Burnetts when it comes time to cut bait. So Joe Philbin is also going to have to change his stated philosophy that no receiver is the main guy in his offense? This signing is just forcing him to have to change everything.
It's fascinating to me that you value an ideal of the way something should be over actual production.
