who cares about the money. i'm talking offensive philosophy. do you trust ireland actually drafting a speed receiver?
Third highest paid? Sounds about right considering his age. He is in the top 5 most productive receivers in Football the last 4 years based on ANY meaningful metric. Yes..he is an elite receiver. At least his numbers say he is. You are arguing the "eye test". yawn.
Soooooo close but not matched his YPC? 17.2. Thats a big number ya know! Not so easy unless you're...wait for it.......an elite deep threat???????!!!!!!
I was being sarcastic, because Wallace is more productive than those guys except Calvin Johnson the last 4 years. The guy averages 10 YPT for his career. That is insane historically. We are buying one of the most statistically impressive players in recent NFL history. Simple as that.
I know. I was being sarcastic too in agreeing with you. Mods are allowed to do that too lol. Why do you think I thanked your last post
In the end, you need to take risks, whether it be through free agency or the draft. What makes GMs look smart is the risks that pan out.
See. To the casual fan, the details don't matter. To the casual fan, it doesn't matter that Mike Wallace is a below average route runner. I'm still waiting on someone to tell me who the vertical stretch guy that only runs vertical routes is in the Green Bay offense.
Put it this way ****ers. We are inferior to not only the Patriots in our own division, but other power houses in the AFC laugh at our existence. So what do we do? We sign Mike Wallace, and give our 2nd year QB with a **** ton of promise a HUGE deep threat, with speed that kills. We switch out 2 old, slow lbs for 2 young, fast lbs. Then we go into day 2 of FA with a **** ton of money still to spend, and a **** ton of draft picks to potentially put us back into the playoffs, and/or the afc title picture. Lets compare apples to apples shall we? Last season, we were a couple of missed field goals away from being in the playoffs with a good seeding. Lets go deeper, we were a couple of Special teams plays away from beating the Patriots, the 49ers, and we outright beat the Seahawks (a SB team next year). We are NOT FAR AWAY PEOPLE......Jeff Ireland did the unthinkable. He went into a free agency period with gigantically high expectations and he EXCEEDED those expectations, with a signing of the #1 prospect, then he switched out 2 strong positions on this team with BETTER ones....and he is still sitting pretty with tons of cap space, and tons of draft picks. I know its popular to hate on Mr. Irish, but holy **** guys, we have ourselves a ****ing beautiful start to the 2013 season, and our future is looking more and more brighter as we go!!!!! Hang on tight!!!!
I, at least, was never stating Wallace was not good. I was advocating for value based signings. $12m a year spent differently could produce similar or better results that is why I referenced that example with Goodwin, etc. History has and will likely continue to show that successful playoff teams are not free agency heroes; they build through the draft 8 times out of 10.
Again, I see a guy who AVERAGES over 1,000 yards and 8 TD's a year. That is all I really care about because, in the end, his production is all that matters. Not how crisp he can run a curl route. We have other receivers who are good at that.
I think it's extremely disrespectful to think someone as respected as Joe Philbin, in the coaching profession, couldnt tweek his offensive game planning enough to add a WR like Mike Wallace to do good things. Bruce Arians made a career getting Mike Wallace the ball when everyone else knew it was coming. Is Arian light years better than Philbin? I don't thin so. Coaching (like teaching) has to keep evolving to continue to be suscessful. Sitting in the same way of doing things, will have you stuck in the mud, lost in the dust of innovation. That's why people like Parcells slowly trickled out of the nfl from guru to 7-9, because the way of doing things in 1988, is not the way of doing things in 2012. Joe Philbin, if the a smart, good HC, will find a way to get the most out of Mike Wallace in his offense. His job depends on it, and I think he's intelligent enough to get it done.
If thats the case then they think he will have very little trouble adjusting. Nice to have confidence in your coach...huh?
Damn It! I forgot the "You all don't understand the game like I do" post. Yes KB..Wallace can only run in straight lines. We understand.
I love it. So the AFC North is all scratching they're collective heads wondering why they didnt just put 3 defenders over the top of Wallace to not give up 8 tds and 1k yards a season to him. durrrr
So you're saying he put up elite nfl numbers, without running precise, crisp routes? Damn he is gifted!!!
You're dreaming bub. Heck, if it weren't for Philbin's input and influence, we'd still have Clyde f-----g Gates as our deep threat.
So Mike Wallace is the second most productive WR in the last 4 years while only being able to run in straight lines, and drooling on himself when asked to run anything else? Damn. If we can improve his route running just a little bit, we might have the best WR of all-time. Say goodbye to your records Jerry as soon as we teach Mike the art of running the 12 yard out.
KB and I are at odds over the signing of Mike Wallace for that amount of money. KB is fixated on the route running ability/skill set side of things. I will admit, I watched some video of Wallace last year specifically and he was not as bad as people (KB included perhaps) are making him out to be. He ran outs, slants, etc and caught balls over the middle. I believe we could have wisely spent the money in a different manner, though Patterson or any other receiver may not have produced in the time frame Ireland has to turn this ship around so enter Mike Wallace as a #1 WR and a pretty damn good WR at that. Other variables came into play such as Ireland's job security and our need for a true #1 (not many others available that are comparable), which led to his signing. For $5m more a year, I will not care if we win and he produces as he did in PIT, but I would hope we can all agree that free agent heroes do not win championships. Building through the draft does.
You seem to be under the impression that if a guy is productive in one scheme, he will be productive in another. Ask Tampa Bay how that worked out with Alvin Harper, another great deep threat that signed a big contract and was asked to do more than he could do in his knew role. I'm not talking about just tweaking the system. I'm talking about massive, wholesale changes will need to be made to accommodate Wallace. This passing offense is predicated on precision route running, interchangeability among the receivers, and complete, diverse route trees. With Mike Wallace, you have just eliminated all of that at his position. He is not a precise route runner. He cannot play all three wide receiver positions. He has not mastered running a complete route tree. So, how does this effect the offense? Well, we go in knowing that the best routes Mike Wallace runs are vertical bend routes, and the worst routes he runs are the ones where he is required to make sharp cuts. So naturally, you want him to run more of the bend routes and less of the cut routes. Well, because of that, you have just limited your tree at that position, which ultimately limits what you can tag off the routes he does run well, which ultimately limits the passing concepts you can use within the offense.
I don't agree that Dansby and Burnett were slow. It's just that Ellerbe and Wheeler are faster and specifically better blitzers. I remember telling somebody that pass rush was a priority for Miami. I can't recall where I read it, but it was a priority that Philbin was pushing for. As for Wallace, I have issues with his ability to run the full route tree and his route precision, but he does provide offensive spacing. I guess it's possible that Philbin wasn't on board, but I think it's more likely that he was a big part of the process. IMO a big part of the Dolphin's offensive struggles last season were that they could not attack all areas of the field. We simply had too many players that played primarily in the short and intermediate zones. We lacked players who could attack deep outside and the deep seam. We also lacked the guy who could get quick separation. Wallace can attack the deep outside and maybe quick separation. We still need someone who can threaten the deep seam. Fasano was our only big body target in the redzone. We'll need to replace that and I hope it will be with a TE who is both a big target and better at attacking the deep seam. I also think that Austin, Bailey or Swope has to be in play as types who could get quick separation.
You bring up Alvin Harper, but what about guys like Brandon Marshall? Randy Moss? Vincent Jackson? All guys who changed teams/systems and continued to produce.
Show me the quotes from Joe Philbin where he shows strong support for this decision? Also, tell me who his vertical only guy who was limited in other routes was in Green Bay.
Guy signed today, and hasn't even had his press conference yet. That will be coming tomorrow. "vertical only" guy!
lol Wait 12 hrs and you'll be able to hear it for yourself most likely. Show me the rule that says he must keep his offense identical to what he had in GB.
Well I guess this Wallace signing is going to cause a lot of friction between all the parties. Philbin probably wont play Wallace who will then demand to be traded and Ireland and Ross will be forced to let Philbin go. This is gonna get ugly.
So you want him as a coach to do something that is out of his comfort zone? He's going to have to now, because Wallace most certainly doesn't fit what he did in Green Bay.
Show us quotes from Philbin where he says anything against the signing of Wallace. Your opinion is the minority one, so the burden of proof should be on you. WADR.
