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PFT - Vikings Prepared to give Wallace 13 Million per year

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bumrush, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    That's because you are looking at the stats in an offense where he ranged from 33-44% of all his routes being run vertically, down the field. You are ignoring the decline he has had when he has been asked to only run 21-26% of his routes down the field.

    Guess what? In this offense, the receivers in general only run around 22-23% of their routes down the field. Most of the passing game is a quick passing game, and in this offense in particular, many of the routes are out breaking routes which Wallace struggles with.

    You are also ignoring how his inability to run precise routes will effect the timing of a timing oriented passing offense. This isn't an offense where the quarterback sits back there and holds the ball to let Wallace get open down the field like Roethlisberger did in Arians's offense. This is mostly a 3-5 step drop offense where the ball is out on that last step. So, you can see if you want to how many alterations are going to have to be made to accommodate Wallace's lack of precision in his route running.
     
  2. Section126

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    When did Jennings ever do that? Those numbers don't exist.

    http://www.nfl.com/player/gregjennings/2495867/careerstats

    and I love that you just propped up YARDS PER TARGET.

    You know who is the only receiver in the NFL that averages 10 Yards per target over the last 4 years? (his entire career)

    Wait for it....

    Wait for it....

    Closer.....

    Warm....

    Warmer.....

    Yep...You guessed it...

    MIKE WALLACE.
     
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  3. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    Your ignoring that your stats are based on the talent that we had last year. Of course we ran less routes down the field, we didn't have anybody that could run that route. Obviously your not going to gear your offense towards your teams weakness.
     
  4. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    That's also the percentages that the Green Bay receivers run down the field routes in this offense. Of course, those Green Bay receivers don't have any weaknesses to game plan around. They can run complete route trees with precision and play all three receiver positions in the offense, which is what we should be striving for in Miami but obviously are not with the pursuit of Mike Wallace.
     
  5. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Something I am not seeing anywhere....

    But...Miami doesnt have to offer as much as Minny....in Minnesota Wallace is gonna have a 7 plus percent state income tax to deal with.

    In Miami...he doesnt have state income tax.

    Wouldnt that be something he is taking into consideration?
     
  6. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Yeah. One guy in Jennings runs a complete route tree and produces that average, while the other runs mostly vertical routes and produces that average. The fact is, most down the field targets in the NFL produce 10+ yards per target when most of their receptions are down the field. It should be alarming that his average yards per target fell to 7.0 in an offense where he was asked to do more than just run down the field.
     
  7. Section126

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    Here..KB's favorite stat:

    Career Yards per Target w/ TD production last 4 years):

    Mike Wallace 10.0 YPT 32 TD
    Andre Johnson 9.3 YPT 23 TD
    Calvin Johnson 9.0 YPT 38 TD
    Brandon Marshall 7.5 YPT 30 TD
    Larry Fitzgerald 7.0 YPT 31 TD
     
  8. Rouk

    Rouk Well-Known Member

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    its ok guys we traded marshall for 2 3rds I still hold this will go down as one of the worst trades in history
     
  9. Caps

    Caps Movimiento Juvenil

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    If we sign Mike Wallace to a big-money deal its because Joe Philbin and Mike Sherman told Jeff Ireland that he would either work in their offense or they would make the offense work for him. If they are incorrect, then we have bigger problems than giving a big contract to a FA that busts, we have a coaching staff and FO that will have proven themselves inept and incompetent, and the next several years won't matter anyway because we'll be cleaning house and rebuilding.

    Personally I do not believe this to be the case. I believe Ireland is a very good drafter and a below average evaluator of free agent talent, but I trust Philbin not to screw the pooch that badly when evaluating a player's transferable skills to the offense he's running. He already proved himself once with Flynn.
     
  10. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Again. HE DOES NOT produce that average. You made up stats that he never produced. He averages 8.9 YPT for his career, and it is trending DOWNWARD. He averaged 5.9 YPT this year.
     
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  11. Stringer Bell

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    Since week 3 of 2011, Wallace only has three 100 yd games?
     
  12. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Keeping Brandon Marshall would have been poison to a young quarterback like Ryan Tannehill. He had to go, as he would have never accepted the role of being just one of the targets and not the main target in the offense.
     
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  13. Section126

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    Since we are making stats up...Mike Wallace had 140 catches for 2,115 yards and 24 TD's last year.

    Argue with that production.
     
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  14. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    Yes. If he isn't, he should fire his agent. If Miami and Minnesota offered the exact same money, his take home income after taxes would be higher in South Florida. This is why I don't get that people are freaking out that the Vikes are offering $13M. After taxes that $13M could be almost the same value as our 10-12 million offer. At the worst the Vikes offer may be only slightly more than ours after taxes, say $1M. Wallace may have a put a premium of $1-2M on the atmosphere and amenities of South Florida. In this case the Vikes would have to beat our offer by that premium for him to even consider the contract.
     
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  15. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    I understand that but, this ain't Green Bay. Joe Philibin isn't the OC. Obviously if they are targeting Wallace or Gibson they are looking for that speed guy that can stretch the field and take the top off of a defense. Something this team has been missing for quite a while. Your crazy to not have a guy like this on your team with the rules in today's NFL. No matter how hard you try, you can't argue with the production Wallace has had.
     
  16. Section126

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    and 15 TD's.
     
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  17. Phinfanjt

    Phinfanjt New Member

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    Miami didn't get good value for Marshall but it was far from one of the worst trades in NFL history. Hell it's far from the worst trade in Miami history.
     
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  18. Rouk

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    says you we traded Marshall for eggnew so far ireland better hope his 3rd rounder this year hits or this is all time stinko trade
     
  19. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Since week 3 of 2011, Mike Wallace has averaged only 8.0 yards per target. It's amazing how that average declined when he was asked to do more than just vertical stuff.

    Greg Jennings over that time span has averaged 8.0 yards per target. Hmm. I wonder why Jennings is considered to be declining when Mike Wallace is apparently an ascending playmaker?
     
  20. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The value of trading Marshall is the value of getting him off the team. It wouldn't have mattered if Miami had to give up a 3rd round pick to get a team to take him. Getting him off the team was the value, as his value in this offense would have been negated with his selfish attitude and his constant off the field distractions.
     
  21. dWreck

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    Oh, you. :rolleyes:
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    At this point I want Wallace, not because it is the best idea. Because it would be nice for the franchise to want a big name and actually get him.
     
  23. TNphinfan

    TNphinfan Always soo close... Club Member

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    And since week 3 of 2011 Jennings has four 100 yd games?
     
  24. Phinfanjt

    Phinfanjt New Member

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    Trading a 2nd round pick for AJ Feeley was worse.
    Trading the rights to Anthony Carter for a 2nd was worse.
    Trading Jack Scott and a 4th for Bryant Slater was worse.

    As for the all time worst trades in NFL history. Steve Young to the 9ers for a 2nd and 4th and Elway to Denver for that package are the first few that pop into my mind. Both are so much worse than the Marshall trade. The Marshall trade didn't bring back fair value but stop over exaggerating. It's not even in the discussion
     
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  25. jw3102

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    I don't believe Wallace is worth the type of money it is being reported he might get in free agency. Unfortunately he is the only WR available in free agency who can make a big impact for the Dolphins in 2013. Jennings is coming off two years of dealing with injuries and at age 30, he isn't the receiver he was just a few years ago. Reports are that Philbin isn't high on Jennings to begin with, so he probably isn't on the Dolphins radar anyway.

    If the Vikings actually want to offer Wallace $13 million a year,(which I question), the Dolphins should just let them have him. If this does happen, I don't see the Dolphins adding a WR in free agency who will be a big upgrade for the team. Perhaps going after Cook at the TE position would be the next best thing for the Dolphins in regards to upgrading their passing game.
     
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  26. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Shefter just said on SC...Minny NOT...in play for Wallace...Wallace to Miami.
     
  27. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Less than 5 hours!
     
  28. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Adam Schefter just reported on SportsCenter that the Vikings are not going after Wallace and that Wallace will sign with Miami.
     
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  29. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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  30. Section126

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    Jennings will be 30 In September. Marshall turns 29 this month.

    One guy just had a career year...the other looks like he's done.

    This is not a debate.

    step away from the keyboard FinD..some things are not worth fighting for.
     
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  31. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Stupid Vikings won't save the Dolphins from this mistake.
     
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  32. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's not how it works. We traded him for two 3rd's and would have cut him. He is a great talent, but he is also has a diagnosed personality disorder. He was so bad in team meetings that ricky williams pulled him aside and recommended professional psychiatric help. He switched his medication last year and claims that it made a huge difference. I hope that is true, but you cannot blame the Dolphins for wanting to remove that headache, for the new coach and the new qb.

    Sent from my SGH-T959V using Tapatalk 2
     
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    with a whopping 5.9 YPT last year.
     
  34. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Joe Rose also said this morning on his show that Wallace is already in South Florida and has been here for the past week or so. He said the contract is pretty much already in place.
     
  35. Rouk

    Rouk Well-Known Member

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    I respect what your saying but they got awful value and a coach gets payed mega bucks to deal with players not get rid of talent
     
  36. mommabilly

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    Vikes are going after Loadholt, they do not have the money for Wallace.
     
  37. Section126

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    KB, you aren't under the impression that Greg Jennings is gonna sign here for Hartline numbers..are you?

    Because maybe that is the impression you are under, and that way, your stance makes sense.
     
  38. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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  39. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Wouldn't that be nice?
     
  40. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    You mean they're a year apart?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    An injury he's already come back from does not mean he is done. That's actually pretty silly, even for you.

    How did Marshall work out for Chicago btw? Did they finally get over the hump? Nope.

    GJ put up big numbers on a team where the ball is spread around. BM only puts up big numbers when he is the entirety of the offense.

    From 2006 to 2012, GJ has scored more TDs and averaged more yards per catch than Marshall. Sure Marshall has 1200 more yards, but that's also with just under 200 more catches.

    Brandon Marshall does less with the ball than Greg Jennings does. Its plain and simple. Its inarguable.
     

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