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Hartline Signed

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MAFishFan, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. Lee2000

    Lee2000 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Collins has the highest broad jump and high jump, and ran a 4.6.
     
  2. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    My brother played at Iuka. He is a few years younger than you are. He was a big rascal. 6'5", 310 back then. Got recruited by Southern Miss and a few D2 schools like North Alabama. He ended up choosing not to play football or go to college. Spends most of his time at Pick Wick and Bay Springs fishing now.
     
  3. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    How can we be sure that the front office is happy at WR when free agency hasn't even started?
     
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  4. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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  5. LBsFinest

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...rtline-cashes-in-with-miami-dolphins-contract

     
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  6. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    In the first quote, Hartline is referred to as a "breakout player" but in the second quote it appears that this contract is a "steep price." So I'm a bit confused as to what you are presenting, especially since there isn't anything here except the quotes from the articles. Personally, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter - as opposed to simply posting a link.

    As for me, it's clear that WR is a buyer's market this year. The Dwayne Bowe contract set the market. Is Bowe the 3rd best WR in the NFL? Absolutely not. But with Bowe off the market, the Dolphins made the decision to commit to Hartline early and keep him off the market. That's smart, even if the contract is higher than (I'm assuming) you would have liked to see them pay.

    This, to me is a sign that Jeff Ireland has learned from past mistakes. We were left without a Plan B a season ago and ended up with OchoCinco and Nanee. Not this year. We've got our Plan B - Hartline - already under contract. This frees us up to focus on adding more weapons in both Free Agency and the Draft. That's smart football, even if the "experts" think that he's a little on the expensive side.
     
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  7. Rouk

    Rouk Well-Known Member

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    Hartline averaged four catches and 55 yards per week while topping 80 yards just once in the final seven games.

    This is everything dolphins trying to make a playoff push and there guy the number 1 wr Hartline Vanished into thin air, but yet he gets paid because he had a big game vs Arizona congrats on that Hartline.
     
  8. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    He's getting paid literally half of what Dwayne Bowe signed for this week. How is that "getting paid?"
     
  9. ToddPhin

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    yes, this.... especially for a decent non-slot possession receiver.
     
  10. Steve-Mo

    Steve-Mo 'Saban' Guy

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    Mike Wallace averaged 53 yards on 4 catches over the final 7 games.

    Interestingly, Hartline had 3 sub-41 yard games (12, 17, 34), while Wallace had 6 (9, 13, 14, 17, 24, 34). I'm not making conclusions, just saying.
     
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  11. Rouk

    Rouk Well-Known Member

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    Bowe got paid on his overall body of work and I think we can also agree he got overpaid a tad Hartline got paid off 1 game that inflated his awful stats and covered his Houdini act he always pulls when games matter. Just take a peak at Hartline's production when B Marshal was here he had worse stats than Bess as a #2.
     
  12. Rouk

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    Wallace had his worst season last year hes also going to get overpaid like Bowe for his body of work before last season. His numbers prior to last year were great not sure how much of him being a head case is at work here or the new OC that big ben threw under the bus all year.
     
  13. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Oh, but Wallace was in a dink and dunk offense. Oh, wait. He was thrown the ball more down the field than in previous seasons.
     
  14. Vengeful Odin

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    My point was (and is) that the Bowe deal set the market. If Bowe was overpaid, what would you prefer we do? Lowball Hartline? We've done that before ... we know how that movie ends. (It ends with the fanbase up in arms about how we didn't make a big enough effort to resign a current player)

    Regarding his production pre and post Marshall, that's not really a fair comparison. We're talking about completely different offensive systems - and saying Hartline is the #2 in Henning's offense is a gross over simplification. Bess was as much a #2 in that offense as Hartline.
     
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  15. LBsFinest

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    where have you been?
     
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  16. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Was there even a #2 in that offense? Because Brandon Marshall was a target hog. Marshall has to be one of the least productive players in the league for the amount of targets he gets. It's funny that Marshall's career best yards per target is the average of Brian Hartline's career yards per target.
     
  17. LBsFinest

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    hey KB21 i don't know if you're a member of the ISG (Ireland Support Group) but it will be interesting to see your reaction when he signs Wallace to a 5 year, $60 million deal with somewhere around 30 mil guaranteed.
     
  18. Anonymous

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    He isn't one of the least productive. He's actually pretty productive.
     
  19. Stitches

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    Looks to me like Hartline's season last year compared pretty favorably with Marshall's 2010. And Marshall was getting paid a lot more than Hartline will be.
     
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  20. Rouk

    Rouk Well-Known Member

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    LMAO o boy I give up on you bro 1500 yards and 11 tds is the least productive wr in the nfl now?

    Also stitches if you want to compare the 2 wrs with new qbs look at this seasons production Marshall is the 2nd best mid field wr in football next to dez bryant.
     
  21. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Not saying he's most or least productive, but fwiw, Marshall last year got 7.77 yards per target which was 21st among the 40 most targeted players (but he was tied for the 2nd most targets). Hartline was 15th at 8.46 yards per target (21st most targets).
     
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  22. Steve-Mo

    Steve-Mo 'Saban' Guy

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    "...for the amount of targets he gets."

    That kind of thought process is what gets people impressed with big statlines. Like, when a player has 15 catches, but was targeted 27 times. Looks neat, but it's sort of expected with that many targets.

    Damn, I really want to renew my PFF.
     
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  23. Rouk

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    I understood what he meant he still put up great numbers for his targets this year the only thing Marshall lacks is sideline burner speed that's why hes no Calvin Johnson. He is a super stud mid field wr and being a mid field wr his target number is always going to be higher than a sideline one.

    If anyone hates B Marshall and think hes unproductive player than you also must hate wes welker.
     
  24. Fin-Omenal

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    Hartlines agent deserves a lot of credit, I don't care what the "buyers market" is...Nobody was going too offer Hartline 7M a year.

    I'm not upset at the signing, but we overpaid in a case you normally see a hometown discount.
     
  25. Stitches

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    I certainly think it's possible. Josh Morgan got $6M/yr last year coming off a 5 game, 15catch, 220 yd season. All it takes is one team to pay a lot more than anyone else.
     
  26. Anonymous

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    Hn, I have him at 8.2 YPT. You use ESPN?
     
  27. Stitches

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    Yes.

    1508/194 = 7.77
     
  28. Fin-Omenal

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    It's possible, but not likely IMO.

    Either way he is a Dolphin so I'm obviously behind him, but he's a much better Robin than a Batman.
     
  29. Anonymous

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    Ok I was using PFF. Strange how their targets vary. He's at 181 which puts him at 8.3.
     
  30. ToddPhin

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    That's b/c Marshall also heavily contributes in the short passing game, which Hartline doesn't.
    Marshall had 70 catches for 634 yards and 5 TDs on passes thrown from behind the LOS and up to 10 yards. That's a plus for the offense despite the nature of the short pass lowering the player's yards per target.
    Hartline on the other hand contributed only 39 for 333 yards.

    Additionally, Marshall caught 20 more passes beyond 10 yards than Hartline, but b/c of his heavy contribution in the short passing game his overall yards per target decreases, which you're unfairly penalizing him for when in reality it's Hartline who should be criticized for not being as solid a contributor in the short passing game. Personally, I'll take the productive, multidimensional receiver with the inherently lower yards per target. IE: Hartline would be a better receiver if he added an extra 10 or 15 high-percentage, short passes despite those receptions dropping his average to probably below 8 yards/attempt.

    Plenty of receivers actually post a better yards per attempt on throws of 10+ yards [than Hartline] and with more receptions to boot but have a lower overall yards/target [than Hartline] b/c those they're multidimensional and contribute more in the short passing game.
     
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  31. MrClean

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    He had a groin pull right? He was probably never 100% even when he did play from the time he pulled it. Groin pulls should heal completely if given the proper time and consideration. It isn't like he tore up a knee or a foot. I'd guess once a groin injury completely heals that person is no more likely to get one in the future than someone who'd never had one. If there is some proof that groin injuries have a propensity to reoccur in people who've had one more than all players in general, then I'd be concerned.

    According to PFF, Jennings played well after coming back from his injury. His rating was very good in 2011 too. +4.1 overall in '12 and +8.7 in '11.
     
  32. Lee2000

    Lee2000 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I like your mock draft Stiches. I liked CK's mock draft too. Fan of Patton, and watched him play against Southern Ms. The tight end from Cincy is gaining some ground. Swope just makes sense.
     
  33. Stitches

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    I'm not unfairly penalizing anyone. I'm just presenting the numbers as they are.

    Not like I said Hartline is better than Marshall.
     
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  34. TooGoodForDez

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  35. jwong

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    Over those final 7 games Wallace had the likes of Batch and Leftwich throwing to him for about 3.5 games. And if we are going to compare Wallace n Hartline let's not leave out Wallace's 8 tds to Hartline's 1.
     
  36. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    KB is correct on the ball hog part period.

    For the price it's a good deal to have Hartline now we can look for a #1.
     
  37. Rocky Raccoon

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    Why is this funny? Isn't that the whole point? Isn't that what you want as a fan? I don't get it.
     
  38. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Rocky, if you feed the troll, you're gonna have to clean up after him too.
     
  39. Rocky Raccoon

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    Sorry, I just can't take them anymore. It's gotten to the point where I don't post here much anymore because of the hyperbolic negativity.

    But then I see your picture on my nightstand and come running back.
     
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