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Hartline Signed

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MAFishFan, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. cullenbigcstill

    cullenbigcstill Lurker

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    Dont forget 48 first downs. This guy helps the offense in extending drives, which gets overlooked by his lack of scoring TD's. His sideline toe tapping catches are simply amazing and his sneaky subtle route running tricks seem to get him open, with an off season to work with his QB, and new added weaponry around Hartline and RT17 the offense should be on the upswing. With a new free agent receiver and seam threat TE along with the draft picks we should see a surging offense. RT17 will be able to do more going into this season not being a rookie and having weapons and the coaches confidence in taking over. Hartline was a great signing so that we can keep some stability on the offense but it is only a great signing if Hartline is the #2 guy, IMO.
     
  2. Steve-Mo

    Steve-Mo 'Saban' Guy

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    This made me laugh. Well, if you don't have any legitimate points to argue, you can always make an attack on a persons credibility. Fact is, any knowledgeable person is still going to be wrong a number of times when it comes to this game.
     
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  3. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    James Jones has been known to round his cuts or routes. and then note his lack of burst. When taken he was raw and has improved vastly. Perfect analogy boik.
     
  4. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I know your post was intended to ridicule KB, but it actually does a better job of making you look bad.
     
  5. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Just when you thought Ireland couldn't get any more incompetent.

    I swear if I saw his hideous face in real life I'd take a swing.

    I mean seriously, Ross vetoed the Orton trade, why oh why couldn't he have vetoed this? why does my favorite team in my favorite sport have to be run by a clown? a couple of clowns really when you include the owner. :sad: :no:
     
  6. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm cool with the signing but I'll be surprised if this doesn't preclude us from signing Wallace.

    $20 million for 3 WRs is a bit of money.
     
  7. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    He will get a bunch of checks thrown his way for a bunch of money, but only able to cash one per season...
     
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  8. LBsFinest

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    http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2013recap.php

    March 7 Updates

    Dolphins re-sign WR Brian Hartline (5 years, $30.7M; $12.5M guaranteed):

    Grade: D

    Jeff Ireland strikes again. This is a terrible contract for a player who scored only one touchdown all year. Brian Hartline was amazing in a 12-catch, 253-yard performance against Arizona, but he barely did anything after that. Hartline is just a mediocre No. 2 wideout, so this is just way too much money for him.
     
  9. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I love how people complain about a player's contract like they're the ones paying the money.

    We have plenty of cap space and Hartline is a good player who has good chemistry with Tannehill. You can compare contracts and numbers all you want but this won't keep us from improving the team through free agency and the draft. This signing just made sure we didn't get worse.
     
  10. Rouk

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    Sorry Hartline is not a good player good means your above avg and hes not
     
  11. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I dig KB as much as the next guy but he leaves the door open with his NEVER WRONG attitude at times for some of these jabs deserving or not imo.
     
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  12. Boomer

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    Brian Hartline is clearly a good player. He's a solid number two receiver who works very well in this offense. He's very reliable and I suspect in an offense that's going to look fairly different come week 1 in terms of the playmakers, you're going to need a whole lot of reliability in there.

    Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing
    Hartline should be a 75-catch guy consistently in Miami offense. Worth $6.1m a year to team, and good for him. Very smart deal for both sides.
     
  13. oakelmpine

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    Doesn't change anything......we still need a playmaker with that 1st pick. This pick needs to be someone that can change a game. But knowing Ireland, he thinks he's done with skill players and he's drooling over some OLineman from the mid-west now !
     
  14. oakelmpine

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    I agree, to me Jennings is just too old and ripe for rapid decline syndrome. No way I want to give him big money. He has FA Bust written all over him.
     
  15. finfansince72

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    Not a bad deal, this is what happens when you let players get to the open market.....they usually get a little more than you would have liked but all in all its not a terrible deal. We still have a gaping hole at the #1WR slot though that we need to address in the draft or in FA. It wouldn't have been good for Tannehill to lose a target that he has a bit of a bond with so its not a bad deal.
     
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  16. DePhinistr8

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    I make fun of Hartline as much as anyone, but I think this is a fair deal. I really do think that much of his balance/falling issues were due to strength and conditioning that he lost when he became ill before training camp and during the course of a season, you never get a chance to get that back because you're consistently practicing and playing.

    An offseason worth of strength training I think will do wonders for him, and I'm glad he's back. Now we can go get that alpha WR to play opposite him.
     
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  17. HULKFish

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    Thanks for the logic Boomer! I'm very happy about the deal, as I think many will be. I think Sherman will make some nice adjustments as well.
     
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  18. Disgustipate

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    Dolphin fans are the worst.
     
  19. oakelmpine

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    I agree I think a lot of his problems were the result of his having to lose all of training camp and loss of strength due to that.

    I think he also comes in more determined because of this contract and because of the criticism (and yes he's heard it you know that) from the fans on twitter and other venues. If he is the kind of man I think he is, with a lot of integrity, he will have a chip on his shoulder and want to prove he is worth what he just signed on for !
     
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  20. oakelmpine

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    I criticize Ireland a lot, but this is one thing he's done right in my opinion and I for one can't understand the negativity towards Hartline, unless its some kind of racial thing. It just doesn't make any sense. I think there are some people, that just can't get over the fact that he is white & a WR in the NFL. And many of them are white people who feel this way - its a kind of reverse racism. They hating on their own race for some reason.
     
  21. Fin D

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    You mean the 48 1st downs that are tied for only 23 in the league?

    Whoopie...effing....do.

    For perspective:
    D. Thomas of Denver? He had 60.
    E. Decker also of Denver? He had 52.

    When you look at the sum total of what Brian Hartline brings to the table, virtually any other #1 WR is better. Many #2's are better. Having said all that, I don't hate this deal.
     
  22. DePhinistr8

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    It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he played last year weighing in at only 180 lbs. He lost A LOT of weight due to his appendectomy and infection.
     
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  23. oakelmpine

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    Yeah, if he was even a 180. You could tell he looked a bit smaller than 2011's version of Hartline.
     
  24. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    It won't be 20mil though. Hartlines (and Wallace's for that matter) won't be at the "per year" amount in year 1, as contracts typically escalate in the later years increasing the "per year amount"... and Bess is a FA after this coming season so he'll be off the books before either of those contracts escalate.
     
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  25. cullenbigcstill

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    Yes 23rd in the league you would be correct, and thats with TE's thrown in that mix. That is a great stat for a #2 receiver being forced out of his ability into a #1 role with a rookie QB and as others posted bed-ridden and losing strength during his off-season. If he was 50th then yeah that would be whoop de do. Also, The QB throwing the ball to those receivers is in the argument for the greatest QB ever to play the game compared to our rookie QB that played WR half the time in college and is still learning the position on the fly with little receiving talent around him and had Bess not gotten injured would have given Miami 2 one thousand yard receivers. and on that list Hartline had the lowest ranked QB throwing the ball, yet he managed getting those first downs.

    I'm with you on wanting a well paid receiver getting TD's, I am not debating that what-so-ever, but as a stable piece for this team, continuity and a safety target for RT17 this was a great team signing. Hartline is still developing, this was his first year in a west coast offense he should perform better next year, finally getting into that hard to reach end zone, we freakin need him to do it!
     
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  26. Fin D

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    I said i don't hate the deal.

    But we have to stop inflating Hartline's importance. He's an ok receiver. The best thing he has is solid hands, which is important, but his 48 1st downs are as much about the offense and Tannehill as anything Hartline uniquely brings to the table. Point being, if any other #1 WR and many #2's were in Hartlines position last year on our team, they are getting at least as many 1st downs.
     
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  27. Nappy Roots

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    To long for my tastes. I don't like it.


    Edit: I guess with 12 mil guaranteed, he can be cut later into the contract without huge issues.
     
  28. Gunner

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    Per Volin this morning we're right around $33m in cap space after Brian's deal so it sounds like that first year only counts around $4.5m

     
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  29. Rocky Raccoon

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    From what I gather from people around the league, the Dolphins were smart to bring him back, but overpaid a bit. Which is basically how I feel.
     
  30. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Of course Tomlin is going to deny it publicly, but there are too many published reports, one of which has Mike Wallace quoted about being called "one trick", to believe that Mike Tomlin didn't give him that moniker.

    So, you think someone will be able to teach Mike Wallace to have looser hips and make his cuts without having to take several steps to gear down? What's amazing to me is that this is someone who you are going to likely have to pay $12+ million for in the market, and you have to teach him how to make his breaks on his routes. This is something you do with a developmental prospect out of the draft, not a big money free agent.

    Once again, this is not an offense that has one receiver running intermediate routes, one receiver running all short routes, and one receiver running all deep routes. This is an offense that is predicated on every receiver being able to run a complete route tree with precision, and it is also predicated on every receiver being able to play all 3 receiver positions. Mike Wallace can only play split end, and he cannot run a complete route tree.
     
  31. NJFINSFAN1

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  32. Jackson

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    Anyone notice the table in the picture of him signing? New logo perhaps? Looks different than our usual one.


    http://twitpic.com/c9l5h4
     
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    Also, he brings up Black & Decker (not being racist, that's what they call themselves) who have Peyton throwning to them. I like Tanny as much as the next fan but, as of now, there's no comparison.
     
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  34. PhinsRDbest

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    the next dimension
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  35. Two Tacos

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    I forget, who was throwing those guys the ball again?

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  36. schmolioot

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    I thought if you could count to 4 you could play in this offense? Wasn't that what Philbin said?

    I presume Mike Wallace can count to 4. Or perhaps Philbin was full of crap.
     
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  37. VanDolPhan

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    Or Wallace's count to 4 sounds like "8....3.....28.....4*
     
  38. Eop05

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    I think those overreacting about this being a bad move are under some assumption that we'll start the 2013 season similar to 2012 with our top 3 WRs as

    Hartline
    Bess
    Matthews

    Ireland won't make that mistake again. Hartline's a piece to a puzzle. A good piece.
     
  39. rafael

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    I don't believe there are many here that inflate Hartline's importance. I would say that vast majority underestimate it and this post is an example. I simply don't agree with the point that basically any other WR would be just as productive. I also don't believe there are many WRs that we could have brought in for #2 money that would produce better than what we'll get from Hartline this season.
     
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  40. KB21

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    Well, he did go to Ole Miss which means he's not very smart to begin with.
     
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