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Hartline, the "white" receiver

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by SICK, Mar 8, 2013.

  1. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ok serious question. last white receiver that was a physical freak. Who was the last white Calvin Johnson
     
  2. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Matt Jones?

    Depressing question really. lol





    (obviously Jordy Nelson & Eric Decker are the closest)
     
  3. Rouk

    Rouk Well-Known Member

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    so this is top 30 wr target numbers last season Hartline had a better year than 2 of them fitz and avery. Fitz had the 28th rank qb production in the NFL and Avery was not the main option. If you really think Hartline produced for the amount of targets he had then more power to you I guess.
     
  4. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He seems to be among good company on that chart, though the TD stat is glaring.
     
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  5. Anonymous

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    Matt Jones. He's up there regardless of skin color. He absolutely destroyed the combine.

    Ryan Swope killed the combine, too.
     
  6. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    I don't get what your trying to prove with this. Those are all #1 receivers for their teams, in no way am I saying he can produce like a number 1. But in Philbins system and with the right receivers around him I believe he can be a solid player in his role.
     
  7. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Typing it up I had Matt Jones' names in my head :D

    But I remember Matt Jones having a lumbering stride. Did he even run the shuttles and cones?

    Ryan Swope? Sorry. 6'0" 205 vs. 6'5" 240? Not even in the same league.
     
  8. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    6'6 242
    4.37 forty
    39.5" vertical
    10'09 broad
    6.62 3 cone
    4.09 shuttle

    ri-diculous
     
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  9. cullenbigcstill

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    Chris Collinsworth is a throwback white wide receiver that was pretty good. He was definitely better than Matt Jones!
     
  10. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Lol. Free agency hasn't even started yet. Settle down.

    Hartline is a good player. To say he sucks is asinine. The dude needs to score more touchdowns for sure but every other part of his game is solid.
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Lance Alworth. [​IMG]
     
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  12. cullenbigcstill

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    Looking at Killer Bees stats above, we got a bargain with Hartline and his stats compared to what the Cardinals paid for in Larry Fitzgerald! Now don't take that as me saying Hartline is better receiver than Fitz but looking at their stats Hartline should be above Fitz, is he that high because of name recognition? Hartline had more catches, more yards on less targets more first downs, but ONLY 3 less TD's, where if RT17 was a tad more accurate and Hartline adjusted himself a tad bit better their TD numbers COULD have been the sam, but I know they were not, but did Arizona get value from Fitz last year, or did we get more value?
     
  13. Rouk

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    I mean I could show you his stats when B Marsh was on the team but we had a different qb then and his stats sucked. Bess had a better year It's just pointless people clearly think Hartline is a good player I just haven't seen it in these 4 years. I'll say this as a number 1 he couldn't compete with any of the good wrs in the NFL and as a 2 he had worst seasons than Bess.
     
  14. jdang307

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    3 inches short of Calvin's vertical but not shabby.

    Checking out some film of Matts.He was quicker than I remember. He clearly doens't have the hops Calvin does though. But still impressive
     
  15. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    That's ridiculous. He plays nothing like Jordy Nelson.

    He is more like a Brandon Stokely or Ricky Proehl type.
     
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  16. After reading the supposed deal I see it as a good signing. The Dolphins are taking a gamble on him developing into something more by making it a 5yr deal and paying him a little high early for what he has shown us to date. 5yrs 30mil is what I read. 6mil a year is not excessive nor is a 12 mil sign bonus. It could turn out to be a stellar deal for the team if Hartline explodes and if he wilts dump him. 12 mil is managable cap hit. I think Ireland showed some good GMing by resigning Hartline to this deal.
     
  17. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    no kiddin, you see those measurables and immediately try to think which Pro Bowler they belong too.
     
  18. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    yeah really, Nelson better resembles John Stallworth than Brian Hartline.
     
  19. LiferYank

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    Probably moved to TE in college.....
     
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  20. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Cornbread for everyone.
     
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  21. Fin-Omenal

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    I don't care if he's purple. He can't separate and is nothing better than a solid #2.

    And ive been a BH fan a long time but it is what it is

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  22. PhinishLine

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    How do you catch seventy something odd balls but can't separate?
     
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  23. CD13

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    Hartline sure doesn't give a **** right now about the tweets, that is for sure. Good signing, anyone who wants to continue and see Tanny develop understands this was an important signing. Hartline is his favorite target, mister reliable, catches everything. Not having him, despite maybe having a Wallace or Jennings, would have been counterprotective. These guys have a chemistry glad we are keeping it brewing. My only slight on Brian is when there is a deep ball, it always seems he falls or misjudges in a manner that doesn't result in TD. He is our 20-20yard guy, hopefully we get the redzone threat to compliment him.
     
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  24. Fin-Omenal

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    Nobody is arguing he cannot get open intermediately. But we need playmakers not 7 your outs. Touchdowns not overthrows

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  25. Fin-Omenal

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    I'm not upset at the signing I just really hope we add a viable number one

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  26. PhinishLine

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    I think you have to have both. We have two Blue Collar skill players in Hartline and Bess. If we get a stud at WR1, TE1, and Lamar Miller matures into what we think, I think that's a pretty good combination. Danny Woodhead isn't some flashy player, but opposing teams hate him because he moves the chains. I think Hartline provides that for us. What I didn't want to happen was for us to get rid of Hartline and then end up having to pay some other guy the same money we just paid Hartline for less production. No rookie is about to step in and put up the numbers Hartline did and I don't see any of the FAs coming in and putting up the numbers Hartline did for the price we paid for him. I thought it was a fair deal. We could have let Hartline walk then end up paying some retread 30 million and "hope" and "wish" he turns into the safety blanket RT needs.
     
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  27. oakelmpine

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    Exactly just leave the race part out of it.

    Look I can't talk x's and o's, this route or that route, or this coverage kind vs that kind......I'm just your ordinary run of the mill average Joe fan. What I see is what I know, and on that test Brian Hartline has passed every one of those tests. No he hasn't gotten an A+ on all those tests, but he's done pretty good - better than a lot of the "black" dudes we've brought in here over the last 6 or 7 years.

    Hartline also has intangibles, like character - he hasn't and I don't expect him to be a problem off the field. He is in a stable relationship, isn't known to be a drunk *** partier, but a good solid professional who just goes about his off-the-field business in a way that the Miami Dolphins can be proud. That means a lot to organizations - just look at the whole Marshall business.
     
  28. Fin D

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    I couldn't give less flucks if he's white, black or purple.

    I'm not excited because Hartline's numbers across the board are either average or below average for a #1 WR. He averages less than 2 TDs a year.
     
  29. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Well if we don't we all know who we can blame.....and when it comes to that guy, I don't have my hopes up too high. I just hope he doesn't think he's solved his playmaker problem, and has started drooling over some OLineman he can snatch in the 1st round.
     
  30. oakelmpine

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    He was wide open for at least 3 more last year, but our rookie QB overthrew him. So it's not all his fault he had just one last year.
     
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  31. Fin D

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    That's ridiculous. With Hartline on the roster as the #1, Ireland has admitted we needed more playmakers.
     
  32. Fin D

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    I'll say it again, he averages less than 2 TDs a year. That means the 1 TD he scored this year, is the norm for him.
     
  33. Stringer Bell

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    A lot of good comparisons for Hartline. Deion Branch is probably the best at this point.
     
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  34. cullenbigcstill

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    If you go off the players stats across the board and compare to the player who most resembles those stats from last year, well, he compared to Steve Smith. Obviously Steve Smith is a dynamic and explosive talent that had a down year with TD's, but stats are stats.

    Bottom line now is this dude is PAID and he HAS to put that ball in the endzone its his responsibility, and with a few more added weapons he should have the opportunity to do it now going against #2 CB's and single coverage. He better spend all off season perfecting those back shoulder catches that RT17 loves to throw.
     
  35. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Hmmm. So we signed him to be our #1 receiver in an offense that does not have a #1 receiver by philosophy?

    I mean, at some point in time a few things are going to have to sink into the fans minds. One of those things is that Miami's passing offense is not centered around having one guy that is the first read on every play. It's not based around having a #1, #2, and #3 receiver. There are #1, #2, and #3 reads, but the #1 read changes based on concept and coverage.

    The other thing that needs to get out of the heads of fans is this idea that all teams have a deep threat, an intermediate guy, and a short route guy at wide receiver and that those routes are the only routes those players run. Once that sinks in, you will understand why Mike Wallace is a poor fit for Miami.
     
  36. MikeHoncho

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    This.
     
  37. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    If Miami is going to sink the money that is expected into Mike Wallace, RT is going to need the safety blanket of Brian Hartline and Davone Bess.
     
  38. bigbry

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    The only way Hartline scores more TD's is if we sign a WR that can stretch the field. That WR will bear the workload and get paid more then 6M per season.

    Who could or will that be Sick?
     
  39. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I'm fairly certain I didn't say or imply any of that.
     
  40. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    This post implies both. It implies that Miami has a #1 WR philosophy within their passing offense, and it also implies that they are signing him to this contract as their #1 receiver.
     

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