http://www.nj.com/times-sports/index.ssf/2013/03/eckel_grading_the_nfl_draft_pr.html Check out the Patterson blurb towards the bottom of the page. First I've heard of that.
I hate stuff like this. Anonymous scouts claiming a 20 year old is an idiot based on what? A 15 minute meeting at the combine? Patterson doesn't have a ton of high level experience. This year at Tennessee was the first exposure to sophisticated football he has ever received. So I am sure he is not as good "on the chalk board" as some other guys. That doesn't make him dumb or incapable of learning. He just lacks the practical experience.
They did not say he was an idiot. That is your word and choice on how to interpret it. That does not mean or say he is an idiot. id·i·ot [id-ee-uht] noun 1. Informal. an utterly foolish or senseless person. 2. Psychology . (no longer in technical use; considered offensive) a person of the lowest order in a former and discarded classification of mental ******ation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.
I think Allen is a guy that intrigues the front office if the reports during the combine are true. Supposedly there had been an interview with Allen involving at least Philbin. You take all of this with a grain of salt at this time of year. I generally don't believe too much about preferred players, reports, draft boards, etc. until the pick is made.
Someone late in the draft is hoping to create a slide. With that said if I hit the clock at 12 and Patterson Alan and Jordan are all on the board, I see who the highest bidder is for Jordan and drop down about 5 spots and grab whichever wr is there around 16 - 18 and pick up maybe a third or a high 2014 pick if we ink Wallace before the draft. Otherwise we just need to draft the WR we think is the future.....
As for the Patterson thing, that's not surprising to me at all. If I were a scout, I could essentially offer the same exact quote about Patterson, based on my research into him and my film study. The intelligence question is definitely there. It's not like you just don't even question it. There's enough stupidity in his past to question it. He's a great high school football player who immediately draws interest from every single school his coach sends tape to, yet he has to go to North Carolina Tech. Why? He's at North Carolina Tech, where Lestar Jean prepped prior to transferring to FAU, and he transferred out to Hutchinson Community College all the way the eff out in Kansas. Why? I've even heard part of the reason he left for the NFL early was because he was in danger of being ruled academically ineligible, though I have absolutely no means of verifying whether that's true or not. He does insanely stupid things on the field like actually stopping during a live play because he saw the referee drawing out a flag and he wanted to see what the flag was for. This is a live play. You didn't hear a whistle. He was flagging the center for illegal man downfield. Why are you turning around and jogging backward and sideways into the end zone during a live football play? He was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct, a touchdown-negating penalty, but it wasn't unsportsmanlike conduct. I'm OK with the penalty though because he should have been flagged for terminal stupidity. There are some little moments like that. I described most of them in my Draft Winds piece on him. Thing is, everything that scout said about him being so dynamic and implying it totally outweighs the stupidity thing...it's all true. The scout captured it. Considering the ability he showed to learn Tennessee's playbook, which called for him to execute a very WIDE variety of plays and receiver routes, in as compressed an amount of time as he had to learn it (missed an entire month of practice finishing up his classes at HCC)...then if he can't learn YOUR playbook, I'm more inclined to ask what's wrong with your playbook rather than ask what's wrong with Cordarrelle Patterson. Similarly, if a talent like Cordarrelle Patterson's does not "fit" your offense, I'm much more inclined to ask what's wrong with YOUR offense, as opposed to what's wrong with Cordarrelle Patterson. If talent doesn't fit your offense, it's not going to be around very long.
Come on. I don't care what the formal definition might be. When you say that you're not sure someone is smart and that you "need to keep things simple" for him, that's essentially calling the guy an idiot, or dumb. We don't need to run to Webster's whenw e all know how "idiot" is commonly used.
15 minutes is enough time to get a feel for someone's intelligence. But these scouts also have a lot more to go off of. They can speak to coaches as well, which is generally pretty helpful. Its pretty much an opaque process to fans, which is why I generally have a tough time getting into scouting college players. To be fair though, these anonymous scouts could very well be lying. I have no clue.
" Eifert was considered the best tight end in the draft by most scouts before the NFL Combine last week, and he then proved it with an impressive workout that included a 40 time of 4.68 for the 6-foot-6, 251-pounder."Now, there are some who think he might be the best receiver in the draft, period."".. I really like that quote, said it a long time ago after studying the skillset prospects that he deserved to be looked at as the most impactful weapon to our Qb and offense than any other offensive skillset player..not only a complete football player, at a need position, but a dynamic one, with great football athleticism, explosiveness and speed...folks didnt listen much when I said it but he absolutely deserves that respect in this draft. Where you at big C, you can surrender at any point my friend..lol.. “Keenan Allen (of California) is up there,” a personnel man said of the draft’s top wide receiver. “But I’ll put Eifert up there with any of them. This kid is good, real good.”.... Like this quote as well, have had Allen over Cordarelle Patterson for various reasons, including the reason being mentioned in this article, but not solely because of it, imo it's been between he and Austin as the top receiver, to reiterate draft forum talk, Eifert, Allen, and Austin gives us 3 nice can't miss options imo, even in a trade down scenario. Don't sleep on Robert Woods in the 2nd, fine football player, underrated on the forum..
I just cannot shake the suspicion that Patterson is going to be a bust. The guy makes plays when it comes to taking advantage of other college players who were not on his level athletically... yet, he just doesn't show up as a consistently good football player. If it were up to me, I wouldn't have a first round grade on the guy. He just seems like an incomplete player when there is a pretty good list of solid WRs in this draft that are VERY good football players, and guys at other positions that could really help the Phins at #12. I'm no idiot, but, I'm no expert, either. That's just the feeling I get when I watch him.
I'm much more fearful about Keenan Allen's attitude and work ethic based on things I've seen and heard than I would be Patterson's ability to learn and execute an offense.
I think this in particular in bold is just a false statement, no offense. He showed up as a consistently good football player. He scored 10 touchdowns in 12 games, and had 3 more touchdowns called back on penalties. Even against Alabama, he made plays.
There was a blurb that came out last week that Patterson tested poorly with a number of teams during the interview process. I'd imagine Miami must have spoken to him there, so they've probably got a good feel for the situation and whether he has the capability of excelling in Philbin's system.
I like Allen and Woods. I think Woods would be a natural fit in this offense. He reminds me of Isaac Bruce. I'm starting to come around on Eifert. I don't know that he's dynamic enough for me to take him at 12, but I'd be OK with him in a trade back (or up).
I was looking for more info on this, what I found was that he caught one pass for 27 yards and ran some kicks back. We have Thigpen running back kicks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGZVE1p6Q40 one catch isn't exactly consistent performance, unless he consistently underperforms. However, it is against Bama http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/532092/cordarrelle-patterson Here's his game logs, he had some games of 6-9 catches, and many with just 2-4. (added after your next post)
It was against the National Champion. He showed them up on kick returns, he showed up their top safety on a big pass play. He even got open against Dee Milliner but was overthrown by Tyler Bray, who was a lot more terrible a quarterback than people generally realize.
Ahh, I forgot about that report, who did we hear that from again?, I believe it was someone who had some inside info into the program?
I still think too often people aren't quite getting the concept of absolute production versus opportunities. Cameron Wake was a fantastic player in 2009. Utterly fantastic. And I said so. Many times. Watch him on tape, all he needed was more opportunities. That's it. But people doubted, because the absolute numbers weren't there. I mean, 5.5 sacks? Meh. Right? But that's where you had to look at the tape. He could absolutely have done more that year. He didn't suddenly go from average in 2009 to being this unbelievably good football player in 2010. He didn't make a massive jump. He already was talented, but in 2009 he was wasted. It was a coaching error. Well, in 2012 Cordarrelle Patterson made a lot of good football players on good football teams look really silly, in a lot of different ways. And that includes Alabama. But the opportunity wasn't always there. Cordarrelle Patterson can't catch a football that is thrown 6 feet over his head, I don't care how high his vertical is. He can't catch a football that isn't thrown to him, I don't care how fast he runs. Why should we be assuming that a coaching staff that got FIRED was using Cordarrelle Patterson perfectly commensurate to his abilities as a football player?
What happened to Philbin's schtick that "if you can count to 4, you can play in this offense"? Now it's the most complicated thing ever.
Yes, someone with inside contacts. But before we even get there, there's the simple widely agreed-upon fact that Keenan Allen was recruited to other teams and held them all hostage that they had to offer his horrible brother a scholarship and make a real commitment to playing him at quarterback if they wanted him to commit. That to me is not good. Cal paid for that selfishness and their willingness to give into it. Then you add on top of that all the instances of him losing his cool and coming off looking selfish and finger-pointy on the field. There were signs, even before I was told about instances of him milking injuries and otherwise acting selfish in the locker room.
There's alot of scouts that believe Patterson is in the running for first WR chosen in the draft, and if not first overal WR- at least a 1st round pick.
I know, I keep wondering about that. And actually I think he said if you can count to three. Not even four!
Agreed on Woods and Allen, got to keep looking into Allen's history now, but Woods is just a lot of fun to study, and flying under the radar it seems, I really enjoy his game, think he will break that bad string of receivers coming out of that program, and it's because he's just damn good at his craft, he played on a real bad ankle last year, lost his explosiveness, he's only a junior, and to me, if you watched him closely at the combine, you could see the difference in his speed and sharpness of his cuts, I thought he looked explosive coming out of cuts, I could most def see him getting separation with what he was displaying in terms of his route running athleticism..I also think he will impact immediately. Eifert Fineas, man i get excited talking about him, I mentioned this in the draft forum, but if you can find the first two plays of the championship game against Milliner, and just look in detail as to what he did, not the end result, but what he displayed athletically on the perimeter, the balance, the competition he was going against, the hands in traffic, the body control, the awareness,it really shows a lot of ceiling in terms of being a dynamic matchup problem...Watching his games in 2012, this dude was being doubled and bracketed a lot, they had to move him around a lot just to get free, plus he had a Qb that had no clue how to use a refined tight end skillset like that..without question, easily the most dynamic catch radius in the draft, his timing with the ball on his vertical is really special, he's totally got that basketball game in him, I mean he's going to be a real threat in the red zone with that Size, and that's the thing, this dude does not move like a player 6'6, no lumbering in his game, he moves athletically like a receiver, so just put that that height and weight ratio into the equation, for that size, I think he's really dynamic. The most impressive thing that Tannehill did for me last year was squash the evaluation inaccuracies about throwing to the middle of the field, I'm tellin yeah, I saw it live, up close, over and over, this dude has deft touch throwing down the middle of the field, I mean it's perfect trajectory and temp, with a player of this stature and speed, and vertical ability, defenses are literally going to have to double him in the middle of the field and down the seam, cause if they don't, RT and Eifrt will live there all day..Just that one presence alone will open up so much, that's why I've debated that just because he's a tight end Doesn't mean he's not the most lethal weapon in the draft..
What else do you want me to say? I already said Eifert is going to be the 1st tight end drafted after his stellar combine. As for who will be the best pro player, don't you think we should wait a couple of years and see what happens?
Go ahead and keep it up. You may be the one eating crow in a couple of years though if Ertz becomes the better pro.
Just thought I would add my 2 cents in. Probably watched him more than most of you guys. First couple of games he did show he didn't know the playbook as well as other players, but he progressed extremely well throughout the season. I honestly believe during the workouts and practices they were teaching him one position (with Da'Rick Rogers still on the team at the time), but then when Da'Rick was kicked off the team he was shoved into learning another position real quick. He did outstanding on the quickness of him knowing the playbook with the amount of time he had to learn it. He is going to be SPECIAL, he has dedication to the game, but not in the classroom. That is the only question mark I have on the guy. He shrugged off the classroom part in the fall (Due to his mind already being set to go the the NFL & Dooley's firing). You will not find anybody write about that, but that is what is FACT. Very great talent with great hands, yes he did drop some easy ones but so does everyone in college. GO FINS.
That's my boy right there, that's what I'm talking about...I believe it was you sir that started this little tight end competition..
This could also mean he needs it simple because he is still raw and learning. Doesn't necessarily mean he's a dolt.
Ertz or Eifert - Ireland gets one of them (especially if its taking those two # 2's and getting one of them in the 20's of the 1st round) then Ireland steps up a level in my eyes. But does he have the cajones to do it ? I doubt it....
agreed. As of right now his knowledge of the game isn't up to what scouts are comfortable with. It is not easy to tell if it is because he hasn't learned yet, he has a problem learning, or he is uninterested.
Molly Querim..NFL network...I can't take it man, I can't watch this fu&$in network without getting a rise in my Levi's.
What competition? Because I ranked the TEs differently, that makes it a competition? I agree Eifert worked out better and will be drafted first. That still does not change that on the field in the games I liked better what I saw from Ertz. I do not care who, if anyone, agrees with me. Before the combine, most draft analysts ranked Ertz #1. NFLDraftScout did and so did former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah, so was not alone in my thinking. The combine changed that. I said all along, I'd be happy with us drafting either one. Not you though. You seem to be all in on Eifert or nothing.
Ertz doesn't belong in the first imo...that's the debate, the discrepency imo is valid..it's not an either or scenario..
