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Per Marvez: Dolphins, Hartline Nearing Multi Year Agreement

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by schmolioot, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    1) He did outshine Reuben Randle
    2) He outshined Manningham at times, WHEN healthy, but that would be beside the point since I think Manningham is also a player on Hartline's level
     
  2. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Injured, fell behind.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Van, Boldin was brought in by Parcells and staff when he left Arizona, Boldin and his family desperately wanted to be here, and either he got lowballed or rejected, one of the two things happened, either way, it was a stupid move by this front office, probably Parcells.
     
  4. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    Thank you.
     
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  5. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This could be describing Brian Hartline as easily as Domenik Hixon. Which was the entire point.

    I've never espoused having Jennings be your top overall receiver. I've always espoused signing Jennings as an upgrade to Hartline and then drafting guys whom you think may develop into elite receivers.
     
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  6. Dolphrank

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    Randle came into his own toward the end of the season. Looks like he's gonna be a player.
     
  7. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Exactly, its like I said last month, Hixon is 28, he'll probably only cost around 2.5 mil/yr. Manningham was younger (25) and more accomplished when he was heading into free agency last offseason and he only got a 2 yr, 7 mil deal from SF.
     
  8. NolesNPhinsFan

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    He shouldn't complain. We've done a bang up job recently.
     
  9. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    With our history of injured players. Hixon signs...goes on IR by game 2 and everyone riots saying we shoulda kept Hartline :lol:

    I'm weary of any bloody injured player after the crap we've gone through from David Boston to Smiley to Grove etc.
     
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  10. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    wow
     
  11. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Shhh you. Anyone who thinks $6 million a year is #1 money has no right to a 'wow' :tongue2:
     
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  12. vt_dolfan

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    I dont know why people get so hung up on the money end of it. Its not like, signing Hartline is going to prohibit us from getting the other players we want. I swear...some take it like it is some kind of personal insult.
     
  13. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think you can say that with about half of his posts.
     
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  14. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    He looks fine. But you said he showed up Domenik Hixon. That's not true.
     
  15. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    That could happen. Very true. And yeah we seem to have some bad luck with that kind of stuff. But at the same time we're talking about like half the numbers of Hartline. We keep Hartline, what else can we afford to do at the WR position? It probably rules out a Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings, IMO. Does it rule out Cordarrelle Patterson? Does it rule out the idea of drafting TWO guys from the top end of the position in the draft?

    If you sign Domenik Hixon it comes with the benefit of a realization that you haven't done near enough at a position of need. There's more urgency. Yet, you've got the same player, if only he'll stay healthy.
     
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  16. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Well to KB's delight I'm sure it rules out Wallace. Hell it may have been a reaction to the fact Jennings might cash in...have to wait and see on that one. I would hope it wouldn't rule out draft options. The team was pretty clear they needed to upgrade the weapons from what they had. Even with no other WR moves in FA....I got to think we'd double dip in the draft. If not I'll be right there in the lynching line ;p

    Edit: Ugh I need to get to sleep for the night shift. Hopefully the #'s are in later tonight and Marvez overestimated some. It just better not be a 5+ year deal.
     
  17. Desides

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    So much for using all that cap space to upgrade the roster.
     
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  18. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    I struggle to see how Hartline will be getting enough targets / production to warrant that contract after we bring in a #1 receiver. I really hope we aren't paying him based on an 1,100 season when we have no intention of him ever being put in the position to get those stats again.
     
  19. unifiedtheory

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    This needs much more love.
     
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  20. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Or to be edited by a moderator into an image of someone beating a dead horse.
     
  21. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    A few thoughts:

    1. Resigning Hartline will be a good thing. I've actually concluded that Id rather have him then Jennings. While Hartline will never be what Jennings was at his peak, I'm not sure we will ever see that Greg Jennings again given his declining production the last 2 years. If you cant produce with Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball who can you produce with?

    2. How good a thing resigning Hartline will be depends on the final numbers. 6-6.5M imo is too high. That number should be down in the range of 5-5.5 (basically meaning he should be a 4-4.5M guy...basically Jordy's contract + inflation at the pro athlete rate... but you pay an extra million per because of the FA premium).

    3. Domenik Hixon is a nice #4 but consistency and injuries prevent him from ever being reliable and trustworthy enough to go in to a season as a #2 or 3. The Giants have been burned by that thinking before and those that dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Go in with Hixon as your #4 and you have whats called depth. This is unfamiliar to us as Dolphin fans because our wr's have stunk for much of the past 2 decades (with a few spells of being adequate mixed in).

    4. This should not eliminate the possibility of getting Wallace. Need speed. Wallace isnt incompetent (wish people would stop acting like he was), he can learn whatever routes he needs to be taught. He's to good not to take a gamble on. The same things being said about Wallace are the same things that were said about Plaxico Burress when he left Pittsburgh. History....repeating....blah blah blah...
     
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  22. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I like your post, but would you rather have Keenan Allen at than Hartline at 3x the money.
     
  23. GMJohnson

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    Considering FA hasn't begun yet I'd say that's somewhat of an overreaction.
     
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  24. Boik14

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    And there's 2-3 other wr's Id rather have then Keenan Allen so I guess we're even? :tongue:
     
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  25. oakelmpine

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    I agree. I heard on Joe rose this morning from Jeff Darlington that he believes Wallace is the intended target. Darlington also said he believes Ireland made a mistake last year in not valuing V Jackson or P Garçon enough and is not going to let that happen again this year and will not under-whelm people with lowball offers.

    :smackhead::rolleyes:

    We'll see......I still don't have much faith in the guy.

    :pity:
     
  26. GMJohnson

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    Id prefer Hartline AND Keenan Allen. Throw in Bailey for good measure. Do that, sign Cook, and we have a good young group of receivers.
     
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  27. oakelmpine

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    The thing is Hartline has proven he can at least play in this league. Not great, not a # 1, but he can play. Any draft pick is a gamble, and may be another Turner or any number of Dolphins WR picks over the last 6 or 7 years not named Hartline or Ginn (who can just barely play in this league) that never cut it in the NFL.

    With Hartline at least that is not a worry.
     
  28. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Hartline's chemistry with Tanny is one of the positives about this move IMO.
     
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  29. TooGoodForDez

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    From this WR draft group, I'd rather have Allen, Hopkins, Hunter, King, even Goodwin, than Hartline. And it would would cost significantly less than this deal.
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You think if Hartline would have gotten Boldin's snaps on the Ravens, that he'd have outproduced Boldin???
    Wow, that is some pretty wild speculation IMO.
     
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  31. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I agree, WR should be and can be addressed in the draft and much less money, across the board from left to right.
     
  32. Boik14

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    The problem with Hartline and Allen is they are both Flankers at the NFL level meaning you still need a Split End. Neither of those guys stretch the field vertically. Actually by keeping Hartline it really puts a dent in to the idea we would take Allen. It would mean Patterson, Terrence Williams and possibly Tavon Austin are more in play because those are players that fit the mold of a typical Split End.
     
  33. oakelmpine

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    And we haven't determined our cap space totally yet either. Yes by tagging Soliai and signing Hartline, some of our space is gone, but we will recover some of that when we have to cut some guys too.
     
  34. oakelmpine

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    If Ireland does, then he can say goodbye to his job. Even Clueless Stephen will finally get wise enough to do that.
     
  35. djphinfan

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    We're going to draft two receivers in this draft..Signing Hartline doesn't interfere with that.
     
  36. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Now sign Wallace and Cook.
     
  37. oakelmpine

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    It's what the FREE MARKET dictates. This is capitalism at work, what's wrong with that ?
     
  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Either one can play split end. Hartline was the X receiver most of the time last season. The on the line wide receiver. The only difference with the Flanker or Z is he is a step back off the line and can go in motion.
    That may not be his ideal position though, and he may have been used there out of necessity.
     
  39. padre31

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    Uhm, who could not see this coming?

    Seriously, Ireland will resign Hartline, 26 yr old ascending Wr's do not hit the FA market very often

    I suspect we WILL sign a Te in FA, or trade for one, what have you.
     
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  40. Boik14

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    As you just said, its not their ideal position. Also typically your Split End is your most physically gifted WR because of the fact the flanker has the ability to go in motion and get that one step head start to scape press with.
     

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