Per Marvez: Dolphins, Hartline Nearing Multi Year Agreement

Too much for a team that is rebuilding on guy who should not be a long term #1 solution.

 

Hopefully the base salary is closer to 4 to 4.5 and the extra 2 million are performance based.

 

That's not #1 money

 

He's 26 and had not-terrible QB play for the first time in his career and put up 1100 yds.

He also never causes any problems, isn't a drops guy, has speed, knows the system, yadda, yadda.

I'm fine with $6 mil

 

Exactly! Our fans want to give #1 money to a one trick pony though.

If $6-6.5 million is the average of his deal, then that will be including his signing bonus. My guess is, he will get close to the 3 year, $18 million number that got thrown out this past week. I'm not sure how much of that will be bonus. It's a fair deal for a consistent, solid receiver who is a strong route runner.

 

I really like Hartline, and think he would thrive in an offense with a true #1 WR. BUT...that's a little too rich for my blood. Particularly, if we can get Swope with our second 2nd rounder. JMHO.

 

His deal might average out to 6 million a year, But I'm more concerned about his salary cap charge for this year and his guaranteed money.

 

If as reported, this looks like a nice deal. Obviously you'd like to pay him less, but that's not how negotiating works, and you have to compromise on a middle ground. Average at 6/6.5 M including bonuses, it is a nice deal for both sides, and keeps a very nice WR on the team that cannot afford to open more holes.

Now get speed in the draft. The Dolphins are in a nice position, with a young QB now, where they can afford to get young WRs to develop with him. They don't necessarily need to overpay for veterans. Jennings at 7/8 or Wallace at 8/9, otherwise it is overpaying and counterproductive to the long term plans of the team.

 

Not a surprise. Miami can't afford to lose Hartline.

 

Hartline has very good chemistry with Tanny. Better than any other receiver on the team it seems. I'm cool with keeping him as long as they don't stop there.

 

Smart move IMO. We are comparing Jennings to Hartline. Jennings recent injuries and age plus probably would have commanded 3 million dollars more. Hartline had a whole year in Philbin system and building a trust with Tanny. After his second off season I do not think Hartline knows any less than Jennings would about Philbin's (Dolphin Style Offense) Probably knows more because him and Tanny have timing. Go get Wallace now an absolute must!! Imagine Wallace drawing double coverage, Hartline is going to have a monster year.

 

Dont think he is worth that but whatever. Im more concerned with who we bring in (or dont bring in) opposite him.

 

This is a good, fair deal that benefits both parties. It will also give the Dolphins a bit more negotiating leverage with the eventual "#1" receiver, as we are not dealing from quite a position of desperation. (Make no mistake, however: the big fish still needs reeled in.)

 

For what it's worth...

 

Loving this news, great stuff!!!

 

Fine with it. Obviously this isn't the last move Ireland is going to make here for a WR (unless he wants to be beaten up and have his lunch money taken away that is).

 

Yup if it's 3 years then this is barely more then Richard Marshall money. It's liveable and short term AND most importantly it's #2 money since Bowe just set the bar as #1 money being $11 million + annually. As long as it's not a 5-6 year deal I'm good. Now we just got to add to this.

 

Fine with it. I love Reggie, but we can spend much less and get close to the same production with Lamar Miller. I believe Reggie has peaked; I think Hartline might have even better productivity in store -- particularly if we get a threat opposite him.

 

It seems what you are calling fair, is what many others are calling high.....

Just because Miami has the cash doesn't mean this deal is fair....I believe it is too much for Hartline...I also believe that they need him so I am torn and even though it is high I would rather pay Hartline this, than have Jennings at 10+

 

Almost 25% of those yards came in week 4. He averaged 55 yds on 4 receptions for an average of 13.3 yds in all other games. I realize it is unfair to take out a player's best game and then use those stats against him, but considering he had never had 100yd game before this season, the 250 yd game would look like the anomaly.

I just think he's quite replaceable. He's a nice player if you have him on a nice contract - but now we're using up a lot of cap space on a guy that I think you could replace without a huge drop off.

 

Ok the Bowe contract is even stronger in the first 3 years:

Salary cap barely rises...but somehow the deals still get bigger and bigger. That's $13 million a year for the first 3 years.

So yes $6 to $6.5 million is definitely #2 money now.

 

I'm fine with it.

 

Like our front office has their priorities straight. A guy who can handle a starting job and do the bread and butter well without flashiness is better than the reverse.

 

Glad this is almost done, OK money for a solid #2.

 

Just fine. Bush is RB and the position becomes less relevant every year.

 

You mean when he was getting the 3rd most targets on the team and less than half the #1 guy's targets? And he'd had 90+yd and 85+ yd games before last year, so not sure why 10 yds is that big a difference.

For the record, 250 yd games are anomalies for any WR.

 

I don't think Hartline is amazing or anything, but I really disagree with this. While there may be ~25-30 WRs I think are better than Hartline, that doesn't mean I think he's easy to replace (especially when cost is factored in).

 

If it's more then 3 years I'm going to scream. Short term wise it would be manageable.

 

Ireland for Executive of the Year?

 

I'm pretty sure the Dolphins know already what it will take to sign Jennings or Wallace. There has more than likely been some behind the scenes negotiations already going on. They're trying to sign Hartline with their decision of whether they can or will sign one of the other two already privately made. I prefer Jennings, and hope we see him as a first day signing announcement by the Dolphins.