By the way, Shamarko Thomas lost both parents, his mother to a heart condition and his father to a motorcycle accident, within a 9 month span in 2010. He suddenly was thrust as the head of household for 5 younger siblings. He considered leaving for the NFL early after the 2011 season in order to provide for that family. He decided instead to wait and get better at his trade. To me, it paid off. He's a fantastic safety prospect. You will never. Ever. Ever. Have to light a fire beneath this man. He's already got one lit bright and hot.
Mallicah Goodman 4.87 40, not so hot. Strider, showed little explosion. Not even close to as fast or looking as good running as Washington.
As Alen keeps saying, Goodman is more of a Closed End type of player...a run stopper. I agree with that. He's stood out to me as a potentially good run stopper for a while, since 2011. He has SOME potential as a pass rusher, I would say Israel Idonije type potential.
Southern Miss was a pretty bad team though right? Could that have anything to do with Collins not looking like all that great?
Not what we need imo, he's fading out a bit while Washington is definitely fading in even more. Fro all the coverage I've seen today, I still haven't seen Devin Taylor- base on the film and Washington lighting it up today I have it 1. Washington 2. Taylor 3. Goodman. I don't like ranking players based on combine performances, but Washington's was that good and Damontre Moore's was that bad. Good calls on both.
Don't want him there BK....it's time we get a real outside linebacker prospect and this guy is it..no ifs and or buts, he's it..this combine is only confirming the blue chip talent, maybe transcendent talent, he really is. The correction on Mayocks comments about him gaining weight now coming in, thought so..not sure what the hell he's talking about. Lot of Jordan slurping going on right now..Mayocks is just gobbling it down, we get it, you love him, but you questioned his weight, bad projection.. Willie mcginnest calls him a freak after comparing him to Ansah. Best defensive combine performance thus far Imo, were at the drill where they have to open their hips towards the hash, catch the ball...
I like Mayock, but when he says that Lotulelei isn't fast twitch, I really don't see that. He looks huge, powerful, fast and quick to me, given that huge size.
I would be tempted to rate Devin Taylor above Cornelius Washington. Washington is a BEAST from a Combine perspective but it doesn't show up on the field in multiple ways...just one way, rushing the passer. That's why I keep saying don't confuse this guy and don't make the mistakes Georgia made. Devin Taylor in some ways is the same but I think the potential is there to be so much more because he's got such a great motor and such great range around the field. The frame is utterly superb, too. We're talking 6'7" with 36 inch arms. When he tomahawks the football, it comes out of your hands. You just need Taylor to give you consistent effort, and fewer things to think about, and then he's going to make plays for you in a number of ways. It's not quite like Washington. Washington I still think even when you give him fewer things to think about he's mainly still going to make plays for you the one way, pass rushing. Essentially I see Devin Taylor as a starter and Cornelius Washington as a significant rotator. Unless of course I'm totally wrong about this Cornelius Washington DE instead of LB thing and what he really needed all along was to be played at LB. But I doubt that.
I could certainly see Washington in the rotation at DE- Taylor is a hulking figure and a good player- I like him, just don;t love him. I had no expectations of Washington looking THAT good today, and he did. Superlative athlete. He and Lemoniere are two of my favorites at this point, and to my surprise Washington is faster and looks smoother than Lemoniere- I never expected that. He ran a 4.53 and a 4.50, I don't get the official time of 4.55. Very, very surprised at how fast and natural he runs and how good he looked in the agility drills- I didn't see Washington run every drill, I would like to at some point.
I would think that with Mingos build he's gonna have to play outside linebacker..he'll get crushed at Dend..
I don't recall him spending a lot of time playing off the edge at Georgia like we saw during Senior Week.
Shariff Floyd looked really good..still waiting on his competition Sheldon to do his routine, but he's gonna be hard to beat..good for him dropping weight and getting quicker, nice job.. D jones I believe is ready to play at the next level, there is a physical presence about that man that is intimidating, lot of power in that frame..thick bones.. Next group comin up
True, but if a player opened up even more doubt about his overall ability it was Moore imo. I wasn't thrilled at all with Luke Joeckel's movement skills, loved Lane Johnson's. Jamie Collins was great, but I'm still not all that big a fan. Washington hit it out of the park, he just looked great. One of the biggest disappointments for me personally was Menelik Watson, flat footed and slow in the 40, but I still like him a whole lot, heck of a player. I don't like changing my opinions greatly based on the combine, but Moore at 6-4 250 running close to a 4.9 just doesn't cut it, then there's the ten reps of 225. Washington not only performed fantastically, he looked the part and is such a smooth athlete. Combine that with some solid game film and I'm guessing that he took himself to the 2nd round.
you know, I don't think Mayock watches as much as some of us, his comments sometimes lead to believe his hours are down..his comment about Werner against the U were suspicious to me. I agree with him that Mingo and and Moore should not be top 10 but we knew that around here a long time ago..amazing to hear what's reiterated from some of the members here..blows me away.. Has Werner moved down for you at all?
No for me Bjoern Werner is right where he's been. The key for him is the group comparison. Who are you going to take above him at his position? The only guy that stands a FAIR chance of actually being a better prospect is in my opinion Tank Carradine, who still is coming off a torn ACL. Maybe a few months ago as people talked 3rd round and stuff they were going WAY too far with that, and maybe I was amongst the first to stand up and say yes the Dolphins should absolutely consider Tank Carradine on their short list at 12 overall...but the ACL is enough to where I'm not taking him above Bjoern. I wouldn't do that necessarily even 100% healthy. I don't think he goes above Bjoern. But I always knew Damontre Moore was fake competition for Bjoern. That wasn't destined to materialize. Same with Sam Montgomery. I could see that coming a mile away. I knew people would still be too uncomfortable with Okafor's lack of overall athletic ability to compete with him. Are you going to take Ziggy Ansah over him? Purely on potential, when he's barely shown he can really beat anyone in pass rush? No way. Barkevious Mingo? No way. So the bottom line is Bjoern Werner is the top true defensive end in this Draft. That's going to keep the guy in the top 10 no matter what people gripe about. He's got a complete game. He's great off the snap. Consistently great. He can hit the outside shoulder and dip under. He can counter. He's a heavy handed puncher. His eyes are the best at the position in terms of reading the play and reacting. He gets off blocks easily. The ONE thing really missing from his game is motor. But I don't think NFL coaches will let him get away with what he got away with in college in that regard. I think it's a simpler adjustment than people realize. His motor runs low because he's making decisions out there about when the play has gone away from him and when it hasn't. That decision making is a strength of his. It's the same decision making that results in him setting up defenders for moves, reading the play so quickly, reacting instinctively. He just needs to be slightly reprogrammed when it comes to when the play is over for him and when it's not.
Yeah I don't think these analysts and former players are realizing that a lot of these guys aren't fit to play a true three down def end position.
Even Dion Jordan you wouldn't do that because you want to emphasize what he's good at and not expose him to what he's POTENTIALLY not as good at.
Right, so you see him at outside linebacker?, and if true, if available at 12, you would go there?, especially if Starks is resigned?
I think he already is essentially an OLB and so there's not as much projection if you play him there. Since Miami is not a team that needs that kind of player no I wouldn't really take him at 12.
What does that 4.82 do to Manti Te'o's draft status? that seems pretty slow… though I must admit I dont think he plays that slow
I think what's great about us here is we have a large collective that cares more about trying to get it right and expressing our own opinions rather than feeling pressured to conform to popular opinion.
. Because we have have Burnett we don't need him CK?, Burnett is gonna be 31 during the season, we need an upgrade somewhere on this defense?, what better way than to go stud outside linebacker with this kids elite skillset?
I don't think he's that kind of player, a Kevin Burnett. I don't like him playing the same role Burnett does.
Lack of speed and lack of size are what could be dropping him more that being catfished, you better have some up front studs keeping trash away..You won't get his best traits.
.... like in a 2-gap 3-4 like Baltimore would be ideal IMO. Maybe that's why Harbaugh seemed to be so concerned with his 40.
semantics imo, we have nothing dynamic in our line backing unit, we desperately need more athletic prowess as a defense, get this kids talent on your team, then adapt, cut, move over, reposition, whatever you gotta do..
How is it semantics? Kevin Burnett is a coverage linebacker for the Miami Dolphins. He plays over strong side on base downs but plays off the ball, and in nickel he's one of our two linebackers in the game. You can't have Dion Jordan playing that role. That's not semantics. That's rubber-meets-the-road, X's-and-O's football.
he can play both, the Will of course because of his speed, agility and incredible advantage in coverage with a man his size, his ability to play low throughout is exceptional, and he can rush the passer, so he's just so versatile, there's really no reason imo to get to technical.
He posted good 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle times. Not elite athleticism but my guess his instincts will make up for that.
I don't think that Werner did himself any favors today- a small DE should look better running and have a time better than his official 4.83. His feet looked quick in the drills, good athlete, but not only his 40 time but the way he ran it was a bit of a letdown- I expected a more explosive looking athlete. He just looked kind of choppy running, not what I 'd want to see in a small 4/3 weakside DE. He certainly shows some explosion on film, I'm trying to figure out how that guy is the same guy I saw run today- a somewhat awkward 4.83 pretty much sums it up.
In that regard I could certainly see Ogletree as the pick, the long term replacement for Burnett who could also be a great passing down MLB. Great movement, excellent in coverage, fantastic closing speed and a play maker.
