Mortensen: Dolphins talking about adding Jennings AND Wallace

This isn't well known at all, mainly because it isn't true.

Jeff Ireland traded for the receiver that Chad Henne, the QB of whom Ireland stated "I already know he's a success" after the 2008 season, publicly stated he wanted to throw to. Ireland did this because he thought the team was close to making a deep playoff run.

There is no documented history of Stephen Ross forcing the GM or VPoFO to make a "splashy" move just because Ross wanted to make said move. Most of the personnel moves made while Ross has owned this team have been fairly unexciting, in the sense that the big money and high draft picks went to the offensive line and defensive front seven. Those are not splashy moves.

Can we please stop trying to portray Stephen Ross as Daniel Snyder just because Ross spent 8 home games trying to create an event atmosphere in an event town?

 

No longer a one trick pony. Thanks for the link.

 

Links?

 

I meant prove me wrong when I said you would never change your mind no matter what Haley said.

I have a quote where Haley was asked about the dink and dunk moniker and he did not deny it, and says he almost sees it as a compliment.

So prove me wrong. I.e., you would actually admit you were wrong and that Haley's offense is a dink and dunk offense.

 

Saying it is almost something, inherently means it isn't.

 

Bowe purportedly wants to return to KC and has already begun negotiating a new contract.

 

I think Wallace and Austin just became a much more attractive duo....especially since Austin might come cheaper.

The only way they can pull this off really, is if Jennings is willing to take Hartline money, and I would feel uneasy about giving him much more than 6 mil a year with 2 years guaranteed.

 

Pretty much every single report out of Cinci has been that Smith will get tagged. They need to get him locked up long term, and need to lock up Carlos Dunlap next year.

 

Nice deflection

 

From what I know, Cinci has more faith in M.Johnson (despite the negotiations not being far along atm). Cinci has the cap room to sign both so I see no reason either leaves. I worry with giving Andre Smith a lot of money based on his past weight/performance issues (he only started playing at a high level from what I understand the last two years). I definitely could see that happening Crazy.

Not only is Dunlap a FA next year, but Geathers and Atkins.

If I were to guess about what their mindset is, it is:

Can we avoid overpaying M.Johnson and resign him to have some insurance for next year in case we cannot sign Geathers or Dunlap.
Can we sign A.Smith without overpaying because of the uncertainties? A franchise tag would likely piss him off.
Can we have some money left over to extend Geathers, Dunlap, and most importantly G.Atkins.
Franchise tag for each is roughly 9m OT and 10m DE respectively for next year.

Ultimately, the reason I believe Johnson is the more likely franchise tag recipient is because he is the more sought after FA. Imo, it is not a question of what the media thinks, but football sense. You have the money for both, but who is the more coveted of the two? Johnson.

 

So you admit you were wrong.

Exactly. Haley almost says it's a compliment. He says definitively it's not a negative.

So when asked about the dink and dunk moniker, Haley says it's either positive or neutral, but definitely not negative.

So the guy who runs the offense does not deny his offense is dink and dunk, but Stringer is still deflecting.

Haley admits his offense is dink and dunk.

 

Sez you. At the most it only means he doesn't consider being called dink and dunk as a compliment. He does not deny being dink and dunk.

 

$14 mil a year? Unless I hear that directly from Jennings, I'm going to consider it nonsense.

 

Ronin is my Cincy authority, and I could have sworn he said if both remain unsigned by the start of free agency that Johnson would get the tag.

 

Joe Reedy wrote this article on the 18th - first I've seen anyone say that Smith would be the priority. Reedy's probably the best Bengals beat reporter in Cincinnati. In terms of relation with the Dolphins, Reedy's not quite Barry Jackson or Dave Hyde, but I'd put him up with Ben Volin. So, perhaps there's more weight, no pun intended, behind Smith getting the tag as of late. Everything I've read or heard up until this article pointed toward Johnson. Dave Lapham was the one who first said that, but that was immediately after they lost to Houston.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2013/02/18/2013-season-truly-begins-this-week/

If the Bengals opinion's have changed since the end of their season, well then, I'm all for bringing Michael Johnson to Miami as the rumor mill has hinted at (it jives with Con's subtle hint) I'll try and tune into some sports talk radio this week to see if they have any tidbits. But frankly, everything in Cincinnati right now is all about the Reds. And deservedly so as it pertains to this year.

 

Since you mentioned them, you think moving Chapman to the rotation was a good idea?

 

Again, Johnson is the more coveted player in FA so it makes more football/financial sense to tag him over A.Smith who has the weight/performance uncertainties. We all know about the weight/effort issues, but what troubles me is whether or not he just started turning it on when his rookie contract/money (before the new CBA) was drying up. Cinci also has to contend with Geathers, Dunlap, and Atkins as FAs next year.

 

I think so. In 2012 spring training he was the best starting pitcher they had - better than Cueto and Latos - and they only moved him to the closer's role when they found out Ryan Madsen was out for the year with Tommy John surgery.

They really worked him hard on not over extending himself during games - purposefully not throwing 100+ and keeping him between 85 - 97mph (watching him hit 101 or 102 in person then dropping in an 85mph slider is so nasty). I think he'll do fine this year as he should be the 5th starter in the rotation, so he'll have an extra day off every now and then. I think the big worry is, provided he does well and is healthy going into 2014, what they'll do then because Matt Latos, Homer Bailey, Bronson Arroyo, and Mike Leake will all be free agents I believe.

As for this year, if he does struggle, I think they'll simply revert him to the bullpen and bring Mike Leake back. Rumor has it he'll be starting the season in AAA Louisville. They re-signed Jonathan Broxton to close and they get Nick Massett back. Massett missed all of last year and they still had one of the top pens in the MLB. So, overall, I think they're covered if Chapman does struggle. I think he'll be alright though as long as he's the 5th guy...but you never know what Dusty Baker will do. He tinkered with the rotation last year towards the end of the season.

 

I have a hard time seeing Cincy use the franchise tag on a DE when they can draft one at a quarter of the price, then forward that money as you say to their free agents next year, especially Atkins.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/24/4024046/mike-wallace-nfl-free-agency-2013-dolphins

 

In the immortal words of Brat Scott.....Can't Wait !!!

 

1st personnel blunder of the year if that happens. I agree with KB that would be a waste of resources. Strong draft for 2nd and 3rd round guys that are strong route runners and have decent speed.

 

this depends if jennings is going to run you atleast 10 mil a year and wallace is who you want this is pretty much the contract you have to pay him

 

I was more in the sign Jennings over Wallace camp, but if the reports of what Jennings wants are true, we may as well give that kind of money to guy entering his prime rather than a guy exiting it.

 

Firstly, i'm sure your just trying to make a point and agree that signing two players at the same position, both of which underacheived in better offenses, isn't automatically a good thing. It has the possibility of being disastrous.

Secondly:
Quite an exxageration. As for Free Agents, there have been a number of failed signing's, especially earlier on in the regime when they just had to fill holes with anyone who fit the 3-4 / power run-play action schemes... but i wouldnt automatically assume that its been more bad than good. Most people just so happen to keep track of the good ones as well. As for Drafts....I guess you'd be shocked to know that every team drafts more bad than good players...... theres 31 other teams out there. Everyone who's so critical seems to know a lot about the dolphins, but not so much about the NFL. Your biggest arguments against the GM are things every other GM has done. Except the prostitute thing, which had it not happened, the media snowball effect with Ireland would have never started. And as we know.... the fans believe whatever they're told because its just easier that way.

 

Wait. Other GMs make mistakes too? Brilliant!!!

 

Don't like the idea of signing Wallace and Jennings based simply on money likely required. My issues are purely economic. 29 and 27 year old receivers are relatively young. However, I think you find answers in the draft in terms of what Jennings would bring you. I would sign Wallace, but sign a kid like Williams from Baylor or Bailey from West Virginia. I just think you could spend the money it would take to get Jennings in a better manner (resigning own free agents or signing better players than they signed last year at other positions like cb and offensive line). Last year's free agency additions were really more bout competition and ultimately subtracted.

 

At what total yearly avg cap hit would you agree to bring aboard both Wallace and Jennings ? I'd say even 15m is too much.

I want Dwayne Bowe and I think the team does too. Don't forget the trade rumors connecting us to him in October. It will come down to whether or not KC uses the tag. If they do, I think they'd only use it on him. That could free up Brandon Albert,Glen Dorsey though.

 

you might as well say every No1 WR in every NFL team then is an Alpha dog? Personally i think sticking the name Alpha Dog to a player is lame. Its a team game. If you are going to stick the word Alpha to any player its the QB. Especially when you mention Jennings and Wallace. If EVER you stick 2 big names in the Packers and Steelers teams my 1st thoughts are Rodgers and Rothlisberger. Not 2 WRs who happen to be good, The QB's that throw them the ball are better players in the bigger picture. Alpha Dogs? I dont think so.

 

Roddy White and Julio Jones.

 

I don't buy the whole "alpha dog" angle. Duper and Clayton co-existed just fine. So did Fryar and Ingram. Now are Fryar and Ingram Wallace and Jennings? Prolly not. But to think 2 very talented WR's can't co-exist on a team seems like nonsense to me. Either way, whether it's Wallace/Jennings or Jennings/Draft Pick or Wallace/Draft pick is anyone going to be happy?

 

Double digit sack guy beats RT. Especially when the market will be saturated with RT's. Him and Atkins should take priority.

 

Could you imagine Wallace and Austin....omgoodness.

 

There are just no words if that were capable of happening. 3rd rounder to Dallas to bring Miles Austin over here, sign Mike Wallace to 12 mil per over 4 years... man our offense just took a massive turn.

Our draft would be rather exciting because I'd be in the dark completely.

 

If they lock up Johnson then they gotta let Dunlap walk, right?

 

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/3090560-85/wallace-yards-ball#ixzz2EKpwpIwA

So, we should support the idea of paying a receiver $10+ million a season on average with a large signing bonus when said receiver openly admits that when he's not involved, he tends to lose his focus?

Here is a thread from Planet Steelers:

http://www.planetsteelers.com/forum...s-lack-of-production-on-concentration-lapses?

 

Cool maybe we can sign Wallace for 8-9 million..

 

Once signed, it's likely they could work together...you're right...my point was that IF they are negotiating at the same time, it would be hard for each to buy into Irish's koolaid, with Irish telling each they are THE guy we want...

 

I wouldn't give him anymore than $4 million.

 

you wanna give him Hartline type money? lmao