Signing both Mike Wallace & Greg Jennings/The Pat Riley effect

Ill probably get flamed....but...I thought Ted Ginn Jr....looked like he toughened up a bit. Just sayin

 

Why did they continue to show him after he (typically) ran out of bounds at the 20? He had a free run to the sidelines. It was a VERY POOR punt, not a great return.

 

Well, it was the punter he lowered the boom against on that punt return...and he still got knocked out of bounds. I'll credit him with more toughness when he takes on a real football player.

 

I haven't really read through this thread and I don't want to get heavily involved other than to say that I don't think Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings are the equivalent of Lebron James and Chris Bosh and so I don't see paying out the nose for both those players are having anything to do with Pat Riley's philosophies or wisdom.

 

I do think that creating excitement and finding players with specific identity traits are important, as well as a strategy in place to make sure your looking at Florida school prospects with just a bit more fervor.

 

I plead guilty on that. But If we're gonna sign Wallace, Bowe or Jennings I don't see how Hartline at 5-6 million is a good fit unless Bess is let go. Better to go with one of the top 3 guys, a rookie or 2, Bess, Matthews and Binns/Moore IMO.

 

Why not? Because Jeff Ireland is no Pat Riley. Riley understands top tier talent and he has the ability to entice this top tier talent to sign with the Heat organization. He is a proven winner and he has the rings to back up his words, when he meets and tries to sign top talent.

Ireland on the other hand hasn't shown anything in his five years in Miami ,except he is able to put mediocre talent on the field, year after year. I believe that if the Dolphins had a quality GM right now, they could certainly upgrade the talent level on the team. Especially with all their draft picks this year and all the salary cap space they have available. IF Riley was running the Dolphins, I think that many of the top free agents would love to play for the Dolphins. Instead it is Ireland in that position and I just don't see a lot of the top free agents signing with the Dolphins.

Jim Harbaugh didn't want to work for Ireland and neither did Fisher. Manning has a home in South Florida and yet he didn't even want to come to Miami for a visit with the Dolphins when he was a free agent last year. The Dolphins brass had to fly to Indianapolis to talk to Manning and showed no real interest in playing for the Dolphins. You just have to wonder if the better players in free agency would rather go somewhere else, instead of coming to South Florida to play for an organization run by Ross and Ireland.

 

As I said to you before, Vontae Davis has nothing to do with any of this, nor do to the sunshine, taxes, etc. All those things about why Miami is an attractive destination are going to be true regardless of who Miami signs. They're true every year, so they're not relevant to your little theory.

Bottom line is you think signing Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings is going to send the same message to the rest of the league that the Heat re-signing Dwayne Wade while simultaneously signing Lebron James and Chris Bosh sent to the rest of the NBA. This is a terrible, gross over-exaggeration.

And even if it does somehow send that message (which is ridiculous, it won't)...to what end? So that we can keep bringing in free agents, when bringing in a stream of free agents isn't even a sound method of operating a franchise? It's a minor benefit.

It's all a bunch of hooey, really. You bring in Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings if from a football standpoint it makes sense. You don't bring them in because of any kind of message they (won't) send to other free agents around the league.

 

For one, the caliber of players the Heat signed in comparison to these two (Wallace and Jennings) is...lets just say they are not in the same ballpark. As far as I understand, Wallace runs poor routes unless it is a 2-3 yard dig where his speed creates separation off the line with room to run (TD v Oakland a couple years back when Tom Cable was the Oakland HC) or fly/go routes. Jennings has injury concerns, but is productive. At what cost? 10m? I do not think so. Jennings sold/put up his house in GB; GB is a winning team, so what does that say about Jennings motive for leaving GB? Imo, if you do this, you send this type of message to the NFL:

Miami will overpay for..not going to say mediocre, but less than optimal talent.

If Miami (and I hope they do) builds through the draft with the picks available and does not overpay for less than optimal talent, while strengthening the OL/Pass Rush (whether it be through coverage sacks ie secondary personnel or another rusher) then you send a more scary message to the NFL. One of, this is not the same Dolphins thinking they are one step away and overpaying for FAs, but rather a team that understands their weaknesses and is filling holes while not overpaying. Not the best articulation of my thoughts, but I have other things on my mind atm...

 

I'm a broken record......

But, if we simply sign Jennings and run with him, Hartline, Bess and Mathews, we'll be in the playoffs.

People forget how close we were with only 2 competent WRs. Just imagine if Tannehill had more than 2 WR options on most plays, especially one that can score.

That's not including rookies.

 

Any comparisons to what the Heat did are silly as there's a monumental difference between bringing in 2 studs on a team that starts 5 and bringing in 2 on a team that starts 22.

 

This is right, and as impressive as Pat Riley's career has been here in Miami, what makes it impressive would get him fired in the NFL.

He arrived in 1995...built a contender. That contender made the Heat relevant, they reached a ECF....he tore it down.

He rebuilt it...they became perennial #1 seeds, and playoff disappointments. He tore it down.

He rebuilt it in a young mold, through the draft this time....they became instant up and coming contenders.....

He then made the big move to Add SHAQ....Championship.

HE then tore it down.

He then rebuilt slowly, hoarding cap space and assets. Built a perennial playoff team till cap space cleared.

The 2010 bonanza. Championship.

You can do this, with a roster of 15, where you can massage contracts and see" into the future rather easily, although IMO Pat Riley is the best GM in sports.

Football is a Much different animal. Apples and Bowling balls.

 

I don't watch or care about the NBA. That said, I do know a little bit about it.

James is the best player on Earth, period. The Heat signed the best player on the planet. To me the best football player in the NFL, disregarding position, age, contract etc and the guy who would improve this football team most dramatically the moment he walked through the door, and has the age to be as relevent as James is for the Heat (considering James has been dominant for as long as he has and will continue said dominance for the foreseeable future) would be Aaron Rodgers. I believe Rodgers, when you take everything into account is the best quarterback in the league.

Chris Bosh (again, showing my lack of NBA knowledge here) is considered a top 5 "big man" in the league? Big men are a rarity, and he brings things too the table that are not all that common (I think). A comparable would be Rob Gronkowski. A player entering his prime, who is rare and is at the top of his profession.

This of course is ignoring the difference in dynamics when comparing an NFL team to the NBA team (5 starters, 12 roster players vs. 22 starters and 53 man rosters).

A better comparison, and one I know quite a bit about would be the NHL and NFL because of the roster sizes.

Labron James = Sidney Crosby = Aaron Rodgers. Best player(s) on Earth, young, many more years of dominance. No one on the NFL can truly "dominate" and turn a franchise completely around like signing a James or a Crosby but I think the best player, like I said would be Aaron Rodgers.

Chris Bosh = Alexander Pietrangelo = Rob Gronkowski Near the top of their said positions, rare skillset, youth, entering their prime.

Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings are nice players, they are not even CLOSE too the stature of a James or Bosh (on in a comparison I am comfortable with, a Crosby or Pietrangelo). Signing Wallace and Jennings solves one position, it does not change the true dynamic of the team in the big picture.

 

That is happens when you allow a good general manager to do his job correctly and he is secure enough in his beliefs and his employment security to do what is needed to build for now and for the future.

I could do a nice comparison using the Bruins general manager Pete Chiarelli but I'd just bore the non hockey guys...LOL!

 

So, you don't think the main reason Manning signed with Denver was because they had the most cap space and could offer him the largest contract? Miami had the least or nearly the least cap space of any team that expressed interest in Manning. He knew that even after signing him, that Denver could afford to get a few more targets for him to throw to besides. Which they did.
Other may consider that a coincidence. Not me.

 

not to mention the biggest reason, Hartline & Bess.... orrrrr Thomas & Decker.

 

Ofcourse if Derrick Rose answers those texts from James and Wade, Riley is all but forgotten.

 

.... and if your hairlip ole lady had paid attention to latest issue of The Slammer while in line at the Piggly Wiggly you wouldn't have gotten any of that bad lovin last night.

 

riiiiiiiiight. because a studdering ballhog is gonna lay out a better vision than Pat Riley.

 

Just saying, Miami was the second choice.

 

Signing both Mike Wallace & Greg Jennings/The Pat Riley effect

Revisionist history is almost as fun as all those Knicks championships.

 

Can you offer 3/5ths of your starting 22 NFL players (13 players) MAX contracts? I don't think so.

 

LOL. keep believing that. and Lebron was signed and sealed to NYC right? riiiiiight.

 

In other years I might be open to signing both, however, this year's draft has some serious depth of skill at the wr position.

 

Pat Riley would make a better NFL GM than Jeff Ireland. That's how sad of a situation we're in. Riley is a great basketball GM but I doubt he knows a lick about football.

But he could literally just sign guys by waving them over, he has that kind of magic aura aorund him. He had Lebron James sold on the Miami Heat long before the media even considered them a contender in the Lebron sweepstakes. LoL. That's the kind of man we need running this football team. A man with BIG Ole balls, and a good track record.

Pat Riley, like Don Shula wasn't a Miami original. Pat Riley left the Knicks, and we've been a team up the upswing ever since and have been launced into title contendership for 8 years.

Unfortunately, the difference is that Pat Riley went from great coach to great General Manager. The Dolphins already tried something like that *Cough Parcells.* The Dolphins need to go after a GM with a proven record and throw a wad of cash at him.

Bottom line is the better teams have the balls to make bigger moves when the opportunities present themselves. Miami needs to charge FA, and throw money around like candy. End of story.