Free Agency Thread? Free Agency Thread.

You're kidding, right?

So they made it to two AFC Championship games by accident? They had no good players?

 

No, they had a great coach and some very good players. Revis was probably the best non-QB in the league. That doesn't mean that a lot of their personnel moves were awful.

 

They had darrelle Revis.

 

So you're saying Floyd is more similar to John Jenkins, Johnathan Hankins or any of the Williams boys than he is to Richardson?? If so, I could not disagree more.

 

That's wrong, though. Calvin Pace is and has been pretty bad for a majority of the contract. At least, lately he has been. Dansby has been good even though he probably isn't worth the big contract we gave him.

The Jets defense would have been that good with or without Pace.

 

Well Revis was a Tannenbaum pick. The Cromartie trade worked out. Pace was good for at least a few years, same with Bart Scott. Keller was a good pick. The Edwards and Holmes moves made sense at the time.

You're only calling the moves "awful" in retrospect because Sanchez ended up sucking and now the Jets have cap issues and look to be rebuilding. If that's the case, then what the hell do you call our moves over the same time period which included no playoff wins?

 

Dansby has had a legitimate impact in a handful of games with the Fins. Less then ten, and that's probably being generous. I'm sure you could fins similar games of impact from Pace over the same time period. Regardless, the moves themselves are no different. If we had cap problems, Dansby and his $8 million cap number would have been cut already.

 

He's better than those, lets just say this, I think his perfect position would to be a nose tackle in a 34 defense..

Floyd is not similar to Richardson..different skillsets.

 

I like Williams as well; nasty player. But, as you said, I doubt Miami's going to be looking for someone like that early. Cincinnati needs to make Reds Opening Day a city holiday. I work in an office complex across the street from Great American Ballpark. NO ONE "works" in Cincinnati that day.

 

Dansby has played much better than Calvin Pace. It isn't even really close.

 

Must be the coaching then. As much as some people here like to denigrate him, Rex Ryan is a defensive genius. Give him some decent players and he'll make it tough on any offense. Even if they don't have Revis, they'll be tougher this season because now they have a real offensive coordinator. Marty Mornhinweg wasn't a good head coach but he's been a very good OC in this league. The 49ers ranked 12th, 1st, 10th and 4th when he was their OC. The Eagles ranked 2nd, 6th, 9th, 11th, 2nd, 4th and 15th with him as the OC. He's a major improvement over Tony, who is back where he belongs, coaching an OL.

 

You're ignoring the fact that Pace was bad and Dansby is good. That's the point in all this. They over bid for a bad player and we didn't.

I don't know why you brought Dansby into this. It's not a good comparison considering he's pretty good.

 

What nearly everyone is trying to tell you is Floyd is still best suited for a 3 technique and he is more similar to Richardson than he is to Jenkins, Hankins or the Williams boys. I guess you ain't changing your mind, and I guess no one having the other opinion is changing theirs either.

 

What does "made sense at the time" mean? Are we grading moves based on intentions, rather than results?

Tannenbaum absolutely made some good picks, but he made too many high profile bad ones and Calvin Pace was certainly one of them.

 

Rex Ryan is absolutely one of the best coaches in the league. No denigration here.

 

I did not mean you. Just in general, around here Rex gets a lot of flak.

 

In some aspects yes, but he certainly has plenty of issues.

 

I think Rex Ryan is if not the best one of the best DCs in the league. He's a poor HC, though. Its really no different than Buddy.

 

That's fine, and could well be true, I also think he could be a hell of a nose guard..however my point is trying to figure out who's best for our team considering some variables and assumptions, and who will eventually be the better football player and more diverse, Sheldon is that guy for me.

Wait til the combine when Richardson runs all over the fu&$ing place with speed and power, (he's in the 4.8 range right now) your may change your mind in terms of which def end prospects you wanna take over him, especially when he offers incredible versatility that the others do not.

 

What perception do you think I have with him , and what have I said that you would disagree with when it comes to his skillset?

 

Chiefs released Breaston. I'd sign him quickly and be happy with a much cheaper alternative to Hartline if he can play outside the slot.

 

IMO Floyd is a 3 technique first and foremost but with the ability to be used all across the defensive front, both 1-gap and 2-gap.

 

I want to re-sign Hartline. I remember when Peter King talked about him being a surprise for a team one day, and while he hasn't been as productive in the end zone, I still like what he brings. I want to keep him if reasonable.

 

He had some good seasons before 2012. Maybe a nice bargain who could regain his form. I'd like to see Jeff try to sign him.

 

The key words right there.

 

The latest speculation for the Franchise tag is Randy Starks. That actually makes the most sense to me.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...anywhere-the-miami-franchise-tag-belongs.html

 

I don't think that'd be a bad idea. I'd hate to either see our Dline turn into a non-strength overnight or be forced to draft/reach for need and be forced to start a rookie. Tagging him would better help open our #1 pick, no. We'd still have the option of drafting a defensive tackle if he represents the best value IMO.

 

I agree. They put a lot of snaps on Starks and Odrick's plates last season and relatively few for Soliai.
Starks: 826
Soliai: 627
Odrick: 951, with some of those at DT in the nickel line.
McDaniel: 255
Randall: 148

Odrick has 2 more seasons on his contract, but Soliai has only one more. I could see some sense in drafting either a pure DT, take your pick of several, or a true 4-3 end and kick Odrick inside to form a 3 man rotation.
Jesse Williams intrigues me. Wonder if we could get him at 42? That dude is a frigging beast. An Aussie Rugger with incredible stamina. He can also lift the entire weight room. They played him some at 3-4 DE and some at NT, so he could really cover several roles on a DL.

 

Cassel and Quinn will hurt anyone's numbers.

 

Desmond Bryant is more than an acceptable and slightly cheaper alternative to Randy Starks, assuming Oakland is stupid enough to let him get away.

Then again (correct me if I am wrong), Oakland has Tommy Kelly (instant cut candidate), Richard Seymour, and Matt Shaugnessey to worry about. Plus they have the third overall, and could a get cheaper younger stud DT if they want. I think Bryant escapes that hell hole.

 

He was their 2nd leading receiver in 2011, with Cassel, Orton and Palko all getting some starting time. 61 for 785, 2 Tds. That would be more what one would want from their #3 though.

 

Oakland's most likely Franchise tag candidate is Bryant IMO.

 

I can see that.

Maybe they opt to franchise Phillip Wheeler instead (which is a million more) and take one of the great DT prospects high in the draft. It may be harder to replace Wheeler than Bryant, if it comes to that.

I'd also take Brandon Myers from Oakland to be a pass catching TE.

 

For the same reason it makes sense for Miami to choose Starks as the one to tag, the lower salary amount, it makes sense too for Oakland. They could replace Wheeler with a guy like Ogletree. JMO.

 

Any idea why he fell out of favor for the Chiefs? He was targeted a whopping 14 times last year and was a quick cut this offseason.

 

If it's my money, I don't franchise a guy that hasn't played a full season as a starter. I'm not even certain they can afford a franchise tag given their cap situation. But we shall soon see, the next two weeks will be interesting.

If I have to peer into Jeff Ireland's mind; Odrick replaces Starks at DT, Patterson replaces Smith, Martin replaces Long, Miller replaces Bush. Meaning no significant free agents at those positions.

That leaves the starters who are harder to replace with younger players, Hartline and Clemens, first up. And that's what we are seeing.

 

Wow, for some reason I thought Long would be more than 13.44 if franchised.

 

Crennel benched him for a long time but I don't think the reason ever became public.

 

Calvin Pace was terrible for the Jets.

Believe it or not their worst cut (with regards to actual talent) was Jason Smith, who actually had a +6.4 grade on PFF this season. He's not a bad RT by any means, actually.

I'd actually advocate Miami signing him to a team friendly deal, something 2 years/6 million. If possible.

 

Starks does makes sense. Today on NFLN they mentioned Sean Smith has a good chance of getting the tag. LoL!