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Dolphins agree to referendum for stadium tax dollars

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Joe Robbie, Feb 9, 2013.

  1. Joe Robbie

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  2. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    The Dolphins have been one of the FAR superior teams as far as not abusing tax payer dollars for their stadiums. Just cause the Marlins screwed you guys over...don't throw the Dolphins anywhere near that same boat.

    If this doesn't happen..expect the rumble of moving to really kick in.
     
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  3. Desides

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    Six other teams are using LA as leverage for public money. Sorry, nearly 25% of the NFL can't fit in one town. The "we'll move the franchise" threat is really, really hollow right now.
     
  4. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Well $200 million to keep a team around until 2031 guaranteed. Pretty solid deal and they are only asking for half of the cost and guaranteeing any cost overruns.

    I live in a city of 600k and we just dropped $141 million on a stadium for a CFL team 99.99% paid for by the various levels of government.
     
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  5. Jt0323

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    I don't think we are moving regardless but Van has a point. Marlins may have screwed the city of Miami but the Dolphins aren't going to do that.
     
  6. padre31

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    To me, and I'm not a huge fan of taxpayer funding, I'd vote in favor

    Simply b/c the Dolphins inc have been outstanding corporate citizens in the community

    So have the Heat for that matter, but the Dolphins have never had the sort of firesales that mark uhm, "other" businesses who want taxpayer's cash to run their businesses
     
  7. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Yup the Dolphins have been very good for the community down there. Hell they began in a stadium that was already built....privately build Joe Robbie...Wayne poured crap loads of money upgrading it over the years. Now Ross is to. Miami has had some solid owners over time. Be lucky we don't have some grinch who walks in here and demands a billion dollar stadium while keeping the payroll around $80 mill to the cap.
     
  8. Desides

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    Not really a solid deal at all, because the only ROI the Dolphins are promising is whatever money comes in from future Super Bowls. That is, Miami-Dade drops in $3 million a year and they may or may not see a dime of it back depending on the whims of a group that has nothing to do with this deal.

    Convenient that you got others to pay for your stadium.
     
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  9. padre31

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    I'd bet Miami-Dade spends 3 million dealing with pot smokers

    And a remodel will mean more SB's, prior to the NFL's ultimatum about it, how many did we host previously?

    5? 8?
     
  10. Desides

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    There is no guarantee or promise whatsoever that this will actually happen. The NFL used rain in 2006 to justify demands for stadium renovations in Miami, but turned around and gave a Super Bowl to New York simply because they built a new stadium. In all likelihood, SB50 will occur in Santa Clara even if this referendum passes and SLS is renovated.

    10. That's what's so sad about the NFL's stance.
     
  11. padre31

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    18% or so of all SB's played have been played in Miami

    IE:good bet if this comes off we will then host more of them

    IIRC the economic impact is what 100 million per SB?
     
  12. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    More like welcome to other territories. You guys have gotten off easy with the Dolphins compared to others.

    This is the white elephant were stuck with....I've seen better high school stadiums.

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    As opposed to Winnipeg which is building a 190 million stadium but at least the CFL team is paying 85 million of it:

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    Interior of it built so far:

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    Hamilton can't do anything right ;p
     
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  13. Serpico Jones

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    This is a desperation move on the Dolphins part, and one that will get quickly shot down.
     
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  14. djphinfan

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    We'll see if county officials have the vision to understand what exactly the dolphins brass is telling them..

    Dolphin executives are flat out telling the public there are issues within the building, if they get shot down by the city and fanbase, shame on them, shame on this city, and it's really sad how shallow their vision is of what a world class venue can bring in terms of the economics of a city thru tourism, from all over the world..
     
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  15. Triggercut

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    legalize pot, tax it, build a billion dollar stadium w/surroundings. get Super Bowls and have snoop do the half-time.
     
  16. Serpico Jones

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    It has no chance of moving forward.
     
  17. padre31

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    In a way Deej, the Dolphins are also asking the Community what they are worth to them
     
  18. djphinfan

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    They'll be missing out on a hell of a lot more than the dolphins if the're to naive to get it.
     
  19. padre31

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    I know Brother, however as Musashi says:

    "There is timing in all things"

    4 straight losing yrs does not seem like a optimal time to ask for voter validation for what they have been doing.
     
  20. djphinfan

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    it's not the point Pod...this is a huge decision for the future of the city of Miami tourism, it's culture, it's place in worldwide events, and the prestige and image that come from those.

    I don't even wanna think about what's gonna happen if this thing doesn't go thru...Poor dolphins.
     
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  21. padre31

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    Yep, which makes this a foolish play, they clearly have not read the political winds in the community
     
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  22. schmolioot

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    The future of Miami tourism is predicated on sunshine and the beach, neither of which are going anywhere anytime soon.

    And if casino gambling comes that will be a huge deal.

    Whether or not there is a SB every 5 years won't make that much difference. San Diego is a great case study. They have yet to give into the NFLs extortion and the Chargers have yet to move. Plus not having the SB for awhile hasn't moved the needle. They haven't missed it.

    I'm glad this is going to referendum. If the people want it they want it. I can accept that.
     
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  23. cdz12250

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    Moving a team is no longer the threat it used to be. Before cable and satellite, if a team moved, there was no practical way tor the old fan base to follow it except in the print media. In the era of Sunday Ticket, you can get every single game of every franchise. No trouble following the team. What you lose is the stadium experience, and any well equipped man cave with a monster screen and hi fi surround sound, fridge and home delivery is a fair substitute.

    I dare him. Let him try to move. I'm not voting to put extra expense on tourism and conventions so he can have his stadium renovations.

    Now, mind you, if he builds it himself, he'll have to pinch every penny and fill the stadium for every game to cover the debt service, so we'll see more blackouts.
     
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  25. Sumlit

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    I might be wrong, but doesn't the money to make these public works come from tourism generated funds, and the borrowing against their future projections? So i fact, no penny from actual taxpayers is being spent. Unless of course, the projected tourism revenue is lower, and the government is forced to cover the difference with taxpayer funds.
    However, just one Superbowl injects so much tourism generated revenue to easily cover the 200M being asked from the tourism fund.

    This is a good deal, and the Dolphins are paying for the monumental incompetence of South Florida politicians who failed to do their job, and make a better deal on behalf of the citizens, by requiring more commitments and assurances from those crooks who run the Marlins. If they weren't so damn incompetent, they could just limit themselves to making good deals on behalf of the people they represent, instead of spreading fear inducing lies that lead most tax payers to believe that they are in fact paying these stadiums when they are not.

    Also, i think the Dolphins should have required an affidavit from the NFL guaranteeing a Superbowl within the next 5 years if the county helped with the renovations. That would have been a nice vote of confidence for all this.
     
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  26. Alex13

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    when its time, its time
     
  27. oakelmpine

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    This is what the gullible ones here don't get. Miami is not getting that SB50 no matter what. The NFL has been dying to get a SB back in California (it's been many years since LA, SD or the one lone one in Palo Alto). Since SD refuses to build a new stadium, and it will be a few more years until the LA stadium is done, expect the new Santa Clara stadium to get that SB.

    This is Ross & the NFL just using the tax payers here - abusing I should say - with blackmail. It stinks and I will not vote for it.

    Ross owns the stadium, and will be the one that makes all the profits if it is done. Unless he promises to pay back 100% + interest I wouldn't do it, and I will not vote for it.
     
  28. Ozzy

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    Well that pretty much seals it. Ross will have to pony up the funds now. Start talking to investors because there is no way in hell the people vote yes after seeing how the Marlins took advantage of things. Eighty four percent of people rejected it a poll, and my bet its not that close.


    Since this will lnitiate the talk of moving to LA. The NFL hardly cares about the fans anymore. It's all about TV money. Geuss which city had the lowest TV ratings for the SB? Los Angeles California.....
     
  29. djphinfan

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    Guess who was 2nd..
     
  30. djphinfan

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    This doesn't hit, this city and two former power house football programs, will feel the negative derivatives that will come with it for a long *** time..

    Well Ross, mike dee and co, you tried, but there are reasons why this culture has deterioted, and it's not all football related.

    Hope ya'll are fu&$ing happy with your "theres nothing wrong with our building building", and happy with your city losing out on many world wide events that could showcase the city, improve the national perception, and compete with other world class metropolitan markets..
     
  31. Ozzy

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    It does not matter one bit. Thats the 2nd largest City in American right?
     
  32. Ozzy

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    There is nothing wrong with the building. That's why it was going to stay put. But really, I think I can speak for a majority of South Floridians. We don't give two chits about ya'lls perceptions of us..
     
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  33. marshallfin1

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    go ahead and move. Goodell will give us a new team, one who wins.
     
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    Of course you have to wonder now that we might go nuts in free agency including mortgaging our cap future as well in an effort to influence the referendum vote. Super Bowl decision is May 22nd, I guess they can get the referendum for the start of May, so plenty of time to try and generate a buzz about the team for next year.

    Hopefully wiser heads will prevail and we don't start making dumb moves. If I was being really cynical I'd mention Tebow here so they can run adverts with him telling people to vote yes.
     
  35. marshallfin1

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    All he has to do is write a check for the 400 mil if he wants his reonovations, he has only 1 thing to blame for not fixing his stadium, and that is his greed. Keep blaming the fanbase all u want, but in the end there the ones losing football games, not us.
     
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  36. jw3102

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    If the vote were held today, the Dolphins would have zero chance of getting voter approval. In the latest poll, 84% of Miami-Dade voters were opposed to spending any tax dollars on the stadium.

    Ross and the Dolphins have a major selling job ahead if they expect to turn this vote around by the time the referendum is placed on a ballot. The Dolphins hope the have the referendum before voters by April, but it could be as late as the end of May. An earlier vote for the stadium would certainly help the Dolphins secure SB 50. A negative vote by the public would probably end any chance the South Florida area has of holding a SB in the near future, especially SB 50.

    As a Dolphin fan, I have no problem voting for the tax to renovate the stadium. Unfortunately the majority of the people I know in South Florida are totally opposed to giving any tax money for sports stadiums. So hopefully Dolphin fans will show up to vote and those opposed to the stadium will forget to show up and vote.
     
  37. Stringer Bell

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    How many of those teams aren't contractually bound to their city???
     
  38. schmolioot

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    Do you realize how far away the LA stadium actually is? It's years away. And LA is far more valuable right now as a threat than an actual location for moving.

    Regardless the league doesn't just allow you to move wherever you want. You have to show certain factors including that you can't make money in your stadium and that you have exhausted all efforts to get a new stadium.

    Ross could never meet these factors. Plus Dee already said that Ross will never move but that there'd be no guarantees with the next owner.

    Like I said, if the people want it then they want it. If they don't then Riss can either put up the money himself with the NFL's help and then charge whatever he wants for tickets or he can simply do nothing, improve the team and then attendance will improve and he will continue making money.

    People need to stop talking about the Super Bowl like it matters at all to Ross. It doesn't. This is a about increasing the value of his stadium and his investment. The SB is simply the tool of extortion being used
     
  39. oakelmpine

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    yeah, the vote will be over 75% no.....almost can guarantee it.
     
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    DJ I still can't get over that it is a privately owned facility. Why should the public be forced to tighten their budgets with cuts to their police & fire forces, and a slew of other cuts, while a friggen BILLIONAIRE gets a major upgrade to his source of income ? How about he borrow the money and pay it back with interest ? Has he proposed anything of the sort ? How about he shares concessions sales money until he has paid off the amount taxpayers have to put in ?

    What pisses me off the most, is Ross gave big money to Republican candidates who are preaching tighten government spending, cut this, cut that, yet he has his hand out and has made no offer to even pay the money back in any way. As a taxpayer, it is just GALL beyond GALL.

    LET ROSS DO IT HIMSELF !
     
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