I think they're done drafting WRs high after Taylor Price failed. Their system is just too complicated for young players.
I am a student at West Virginia and have felt that all three of the major prospects from my school are all highly underrated. Those three being Smith, Austin and Bailey. I have been Baileys biggest fan because he is extremely underrated. His production speaks for itself and his highlights show how good he truly is. I knew he had pro potential once I saw him go one on one against Claiborne in '11. He made some great plays on Claiborne and even showed good blocking on him as well. The only reason why I feel Bailey could never go round one is based on size. He is small and doesnt appear to be the fastest, but he has some of the best hands in this draft.He is being overlooked right now I feel until the combine because people want to see how he runs. To me his stock may rise just like I feel Tavon Austins will severely rise after the combine. Bruce Irvin last year made an impression at the combine and ended up getting selected at 15. He was a beast this year in a limited role and it would surprise me if a team took Austin somewhere shortly after 15. I would draft Bailey with the first of our second rounds and come away feeling like we got a steal. Bailey would be a great receiver to add in this kind of system especially if we could sign Greg Jennings.
No arguments there. Bust potential is a tricky topic. As I've stated before, it's not even a question to me that Patterson's RAC ability translates to the pros. I'm not saying he'll light the league on fire. I'm saying he'll at the very least be a Josh Cribbs even if he never "gets it" as a real wide receiver. And unlike Cribbs, he's 6'3" and should run a low 4.4 or maybe even in the 4.3's, and I don't care if you're "Stone Hands" Featherstone, that means you're a deep threat. You can go out there and run 9 routes all day and the defense has to respect it because you're really fast and on top of it you're tall. Height x Speed = Deep Threat Ability. So if you can run 9 routes all day and the defense has to respect you, and on top of that you can take a quick hitter screen consistently and churn out 7 to 9 yards because of your RAC ability, even if you never truly "get it" as a receiver, you're still out there producing. And in the meanwhile you're likely the team's kick returner and possibly its punt returner as well. So that's not really a true "bust" in the way that a Charles Rogers was a true "bust". On the other hand consider this. If DeAndre Hopkins gets out there and he's just not creating separation or looking interesting with the ball in his hands, say he's a Legedu Naanee, what do you do with him? What's he going to fall back on that he will, for sure, be able to do in the pros? THAT to me is true bust potential.
I don't think he can play the outside, and his size is prohibitive. He doesn't make up for his size with the strength of a Stedman Bailey, nor does he really have long arms. He'd be a fun player to play around with I just don't think he's a 1st rounder.
If CP never gets "it", he'll struggle to get off the line and won't be much of a deep threat. He may not learn get separation and is less likely to catch the contested passes. He can't just rely on being an instinctive and faster player than most of his opponents. He's going to have to put in the work that Hopkins and Bailey appear to have already put in to be as functional as those guys will be going in. IMO Hopkins and Bailey are already good enough WRs that at worst they'll end up as functional pros. That's not saying they'll be that immediately, but they already show enough route running and catching ability that they'll get separation at least some of the time and catch some contested passes when they don't get separation. I see almost no bust potential in those guys at all. They'd have to be behavior problems or decide they already make it and stop working.
Bumping my favorite receiver in this draft. Will bump Wheaton next. I think Bailey or Wheaton in round two solves our deep threat TD problem.
While Wheaton might solve our deep threat problems, I think Bailey solves that and then some. I really don't want to get my hopes up about getting SD. Maybe the cynicism talking, but I have a feeling I'll be let down once draft day(s) is over.
Wheaton is faster than Stedman by a considerable amount. That's one of the only things that give me pause about Bailey. Wheaton looked to me at the Senior Bowl like he's very much in the mold of a DeSean Jackson.
That's a good comparison imo and another good one iirc was from Rafael, comparing Bailey to Mark Clayton. Short, solidly built athletic receiver who lacks top speed but is fast enough, has excellent quicks, body control and hands. A gamer.
Maybe. More and more I find myself appreciating certain players in the draft, and certain philosophies of football that I like. So when an organiztion makes moves I agree with over-and-over I begin to become a fan of the organization. For example, whoever takes Stedman Bailey, I will respect. And probably want to root for them a little bit more because they were smart and saw what we see in Bailey. It's possible that if the Dolphins take the 'wrong' players imo for long enough, that I'll feel less invested in the team. In short, I'll feel they deserve the consequences of their own poor decisions. Lets hope it does not come to that, because I like being a Miami fan.
Okay, you guys are incredibly knowledgeable and I need to know if I'm a flat out idiot - I've said all along that if Miami didn't draft a WR until the 3rd (I know, I was being wishful then) that I'd be happy with Stedman Bailey in the 3rd, and Marquees Wilson in the 5th, and Id feel like I stole the draft. I now know my man crush on Bailey is shared but how do you guys feel about Wilson?
Long ago I thought Wilson to be in the running with Keenan Allen for top WR in the Draft billing so yeah...Stedman Bailey in the 3rd and Marquess Wilson in the 5th and you would indeed "win the Draft" at least in my eyes.
Allow me to expand on this - what round would you take M. Wilson in? What round, if Ireland takes him, would you be saying "with that risk/reward, I think we overpaid" ? I watch him and I honestly can't stop thinking about him putting on 10 lbs and playing for Miami. But he has those concerns about quitting on his team. You have inside (at least, relative to myself) knowledge - how much of that is media crap and how much is realistic? edit: Also, do you have Allen as the #1 WR still, over Patterson? I absolutely love Patterson, but mostly due to his versatility and his ability after the catch (I love watching that skinny bastard slip an arm tackle and get 15 extra yards)
I have no idea why I said split end TBH. I've been thinking flanker ever since I saw him. Total brain fart and an appropriate backfire considering the miracle worker comment. lol
I wouldn't call Cordarrelle skinny. He looks more like Boldin than Plaxico Burress. Are you thinking of the other Tenn receivers?
I wouldn't either. Hunter looks more skinny to me of the Tenn WRs. Cord is listed as 6'3 and 205 and Hunter is listed at 6'4 and 200, so not much difference really.
Like I said before. Typos that say the complete opposite of what you mean. Gotta love them. But yes Markus Wheaton at flanker with Stedman Bailey playing split end and slot would look quite nice. Add to that mix a third wide receiver that has size and physicality to him to play the outside when all three are on the field together, and you've got a very balanced mix. As long as you have a good tight end that can threaten the seam in your 21 and 12 personnel packages.
Justin Hunter looks skinny but it's really just that he's so leggy. I get worried about that at the next level because with those long legs he's not very quick. He might be fast but he's not quick, takes him a while to really turn and be agile. I think there's a strong possibility you get Hunter to the next level and he just doesn't look very interesting.
I agree. He scares me.... enough to not draft until his value is too enticing to pass up, but by then someone else will have taken him.
.... and perhaps use Jermichael Finley as a fall back option? not sure Deej agrees with you. (but that's why you said it. lol)
If you felt pretty sure that Dwayne Bowe was going to work hard and be a good citizen in Miami, sure. But that could be overkill. It would relegate Stedman Bailey to just being a 3rd wide receiver longer term and I'm not sure you need to do that. Then again, why not? Nothing wrong with having TOO MUCH talent. Was thinking more along the lines of Chris Harper or Da'Rick Rogers. Isn't Da'Rick Rogers your boy? If he falls real far then he'd be a great fit for that third powerful guy.
LOL. I actually had him typed in after Bowe but then deleted it b/c I wasn't sure if you cared for him. I'd definitely go Rogers. Jennings - Rogers - Bailey - Wheaton - Matthews (and Bess for a year to aid transition) would be quite nice. Imagine if we could do that with 2b, 3a, and 3c...... or better yet- 3a, 3b, and 4. How you feel about Ellington or Barner replacing Bush? What if the draft Gods are looking out for us and this happens? 1st is traded back 8 spots for an extra 3rd. 1. Ansah 2. Eifert 2. Carradine 3. Wheaton 3. Ellington 3. Rogers 4. Bailey 4. Webb .... how would you do it if every player were able to slip to the lowest you think's possible?
Sorry, Ireland hasn't spent a 1st or 2nd round pick on a WR since he's been here. He likes taking a chance on talent yes but he likes his WR's on the cheap. I sincerely doubt he'll spend higher than a 3rd round pick on a WR. I don't see Bailey coming here.
why not? Tavon Austin then? He was seen scouting a WVU game. Not sure who else he'd be there to see. Besides, what about the 2 second rounders for Marshall?
Finley wouldn't be a fall back option IMO. Any trade for Finley would come before the draft I think. If we foolishly allow Fasano to leave, then I believe another veteran TE will be signed in free agency. I do not want to give up a draft pick for Finley and then having a large amount of cap room taken up by a player who also cost that draft pick. Draft picks used wisely to select college players, give you a talent boost at a small cap hit, as compared to the hit for players signed as UFAs or top tier veterans traded for by giving up a draft pick or 2.
