Dolphins leaning toward Miller, as there starting RB for next season

How is putting a better running back out there rebuilding?

 

I would rather have Ronnie Brown than Daniel Thomas.

 

totally agree, he missed on Bush and Thomas. Hit on Miller, 1/3 aint going to cut it (unless you are playing baseball)

 

other then that he is a HOF'er… lol

 

I agree on Thomas, though I think the miss is more due to injuries and not necessarily due to overall talent.

I don't know if I agree about striking out on Bush. Low risk (what, a 5th round pick) for high production (2500 yards from scrimmage and 15 TDs) the last two years. That's a pretty solid find by Ireland, especially considering that most "experts" laughed when he suggested Reggie could be a feature back in the NFL.

 

Bush played well. Two 1,000 yard seasons, one of them with a 5 ypc, is not a miss. Is he Arian Foster? No. But it's not a miss.

Plus you forgot Parmele and Hilliard.

I'm no Ireland fanboy, but Bush was not a miss.

 

So not only are we supposed to completely write off Daniel Thomas after two injury plagued years (after only playing RB for two years prior to being drafted), we are going to write off Ireland's ability to evaluate a back because the failure of one pick?

 

Can I guy poke Padre in peace around here? lol

 

Mike Shanahan knows the plug and play of RB's,

 

Who is the one man fan club?

 

I don't get all of the hate on Thomas. He's not going to be what we hoped he would, but I still think he can be a serviceable rotation player. He runs hard, catches the ball well, and blocks. Being used to spell Miller, I don't think you need much more. I'm sure the Dolphins will add someone, but I'm not ready to write Thomas off like so many are and I really don't think the Dolphins are either.

 

There's a lot of factors that play into this decision, and if you pay attention to the metrics, you will see that Reggie Bush will not be that hard to replace. Padre is hung up on "playmakers", but you can't build a successful team around just "playmakers". You have to have some consistency there.

Reggie Bush can be considered a playmaker, but a consistent runner is not something I would describe him as. This past season, Reggie Bush had 16 runs of 15+ yards. On those 16 runs, he amassed 369 yards. He averaged 23 yards per rush on those runs. On all other runs, Reggie had 211 rushes for 617 yards. That's only 2.9 yards per rush. That lack of consistency comes from the fact that Reggie more often than not is looking to make the big play instead of just taking what he is given. When you are averaging only 2.9 yards per rush on the majority of your runs, it is very difficult to have a consistent rushing attack. 37.4% of Reggie's runs went for more than 15 yards.

Now, lets look at Lamar Miller. This is definitely a smaller sample size to look at, but it shows the flash and consistency that Lamar can potentially bring as Miami's starting/main running back. Lamar had 4 runs of 15+ yards on the year for 84 yards. That's 21 yards per rush on those runs. On all other runs, he had 47 rushes for 166 yards, or 3.5 yards per rush. 33.6% of Lamar Miller's runs went for 15+ yards. Basically, if Lamar Miller maintains his production with a heavier workload, he will be much more consistent than Reggie Bush while not having much of a drop off in "big plays" from the running back position.

 

Hah, for now.

 

He's referring to me.

Incorrectly, I might add. I run into positive opinions about Jonas Gray all across ThePhins, all across Finheaven, and all across Twitter. I'm sure my ego would love to think that's all because of my praise, but the reality is it's not.

 

exactly. We know THomas will unlikely ever turn out to be a stud RB, but it doesn't mean he doesn't have a spot on the team in a RB rotation. In the LONG history of crappy *** RBs we've had in the past 20 years, sprinkled in with an occasional dose of stardom with Ricky, we've had MANY RBs crappier than DT. What we need is more of zone-blocking RB that is more of a pounder, Miller is our elusive stud, and D Thomas becomes our #3. While that does make him a partial bust, it doesn't mean you have to cut him from the team.

 

It's not hate to acknowledge that a hammer isn't a screw driver, that a light bulb isn't a dishwasher, or that Daniel Thomas isn't an NFL caliber back.

 

I did not know that.

 

He's made plays?

 

I think he is, but a Rb back who cannot stay healthy is useless.

I've seen DTrain do some good things, the problem from my pov is that leaves us with the untested Miller and the injury prone Thomas, and Thigpen as our ersatz backfield with any NFL experience.

 

If we find an upgrade at a good price, then I'm all for it. but, getting rid of Thomas just creates another hole, even if it's #2 RB, given our other holes, I'm fine with the risk of Miller, Thomas and Thigpen/Gray. But, I also support spending a late round pick every year on a RB. If we can make defenses actually worry about our passing game, then the RBs will be fine.

 

Miller will be great. Represent the U!

 

bla, bla, bla

 

I fully expect our luxury pick this season to be another RB. Just continue to draft BPA like last season and you honestly can't go wrong. Maybe we go after Lattimore in the 4th?

I want us to be that team that takes risks and gambles on guys that fall. Draft the Janoris Jenkins. Draft Aaron Hernandez. Guys that otherwise draft pick strapped teams can't afford to swing on. Go after a guy like Marquees Wilson in the 5th. Bring me the high high ceiling guys. I'm sick of these safe prospects.

 

The leadership will be gone at the RB position.
This is going to bite us in the *** folks.

 

its not just about miller, if bush leaves we need to, and can, add a back, if our GM is on point he wil find a one cut explosive downhill nasty horse..

Sometimes you gotta play man, this is big time GM'n sh&$.. I'd be excited..

The actual combination of Miller/Thomas has a lot of physical talent..the addition of a Lacy, Ball, Taylor, Gillessie, Ellington..could be very interesting.

Shoot, give me a late round pick and I'll get you an Isi Sofele and get you forgetting about Bush compadre.

 

Miller rushed for 5 ypc and looked completely uncoordinated doing it...I think when he catches on with the speed, and finds his patience, I'm willing to gamble..but I want a draft pick as well.

 

lmao...you cant be serious dude.

 

This is why I don't understand all the negativity about Thomas, sure he's has fumble and health issues, so far not a high level of production. But he's only in his 2nd season I believe, sometimes it takes a couple seasons for a young player to "get it" and this season, he had to learn a whole new system with Philbin/Sherman, which he did seem to start improving under late in the season. I still want to give the kid one more shot, but strictly as a backup to Miller who IMO has earned the starting slot at RB, I'm excited to see what Miller does as a starter. Bush would be nice to have around as a scat back type hybrid receiver, but I don't want him taking snaps away from Miller in the running game, so I say let him walk unless he's willing to take a huge discount which I doubt. His apparent price IMHO can bring in someone who can be more of the "playmaker" we need, why do we need Bush as an every down "between the tackles" runner? It's not what he's good at.

 

So how does that mean he cannot be a power runner and pass blocker such as Fin D suggested?

 

He's been poked so much over the years that I think he is impervious to it now.

 

My guess is he means CK.

 

I agree with you, but my one concern about him is concussions. Seems he's had at least 2 that caused him to miss games since we've had him. They seem to be the sort of thing that occurs more often once a player's had one previously.

 

Honest question: Did you feel that taking a shot at another poster was required here? If so, can you provide the reasoning behind that? If it wasn't necessary, then could you provide your reasoning for doing so anyway? I've got my hunches, just want to see if they're correct.

 

It's not a shot at CK. There are easier shots to take, and it's possible he is right. He's just been over-exposed relative to his merits, it's pretty unlikely that he ever contributes anything of merit.

 

Mr. Clean, I like your posts and I love your sig, but boy does it make browsing the forums at work more stressful than it needs to be!

 

Yeah Clean, when are we gonna get some fresh blood?

 

Turn off sigs like I did. Otherwise yeah you're in trouble.

Also Disgust can you clarify? Because your language is a bit vague and it looks like you're saying CK has been exposed haha

 

Well, I meant Jonas Grey. He's not really a guy who should be treated as a de-facto #2/split carry guy.