WR and TE who is the best solution IYO and Why ?

I don't think more depth would have eaten into Hartline's targets enough to stop him from reaching 1,000 plus yards. The amount of passes he saw wasn't an abnormal amount in Philbin's system. And he was still good enough to where he could have reached 1,000 plus with less targets.

 

Shulas best chance to win was outscoring people with Marino. I think our best chance to win today is with great defense and an offense that stays out if their way.

 

Maybe so, but clearly our depth ate into Hartlines ability to score TDs...

 

Thank you, sir.

 

Yea.

 

Hilarious.

 

I do not agree. The current defense could take you deep into the playoffs, if we had a top 10 offense. I think Miami has the longest current streak of not having a team with a top 10 offense.

 

Jennings has missed 11 of the last 32 regular season games… I am guessing it not because he was a healthy guy that didnt want to play… As for Hartline.. you are right he is good at more than one thing. getting open down the side line and falling down…. sorry, my bad...

 

lol

 

Personally I wouldn't ignore defense at the expense of trying to overdo building up the offense. I'd try to take the defense over the top while building the offense up into something respectable. Part of that would entail adding a Pamplona bull at running back to accent the defense. Enter Eddie Lacy. Out of all the offensive additions we could make, I genuinely believe Lacy could perhaps be one of the most important, especially in a division with Brady.

Here's the running of the bull (1:56)
[video=youtube;YqvHdysqMYs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YqvHdysqMYs#t=1m56s[/video]

 

Don't you realize?

The scapegoat for the 2012 Miami Dolphins is one Brian Hartline, the guy who came out of the fourth round and put up a 70+ catch, 1000+ yard season, with a rookie QB throwing to him.

By definition, that means the rookie QB is great but was held back by Hartline.

By extension, the guy who drafted them both, Hartline, the 1000+ yard receiver, in the fourth, and the rookie quarterback, is terrible as well.

It all fits together really neatly, doesn't it?

 

Yet, you so often bring up the strawman defense.

 

It's interesting in 3 of our wins Hartline had 0, 12, and 17 yards, kinda like we won those games w/o him (including the 17 point 4th quarter Seattle comeback he was absent from).

 

He missed a majority of those games this season from a groin injury that has not been a recurring injury. All he needs is an off season to heal up. That's not an injury prone player.

As for the Hartline joke, it's been said already. Wasn't funny the first time, isn't funny now.

 

It seems that way. I don't think there should be a scale goat but honestly, I do feel that Hartline was more hindered by Tannehill than the other way around. Nothing against Tannehill, but he was inexperienced, so I expected it.

Although, I fully acknowledge Hartline could have helped out Tannehill this season with better playmaking. I think Jennings could help there.

 

I don't disagree. I just think we're closer to having an elite defense than we are to having a top ten offense.

 

I'm not sold on jennings hes better than what we have atm but hes not a superstar wr him by himself wont fix our problems at all. Also Hartline is megatrash just get over it already when a team wants to take him out of the game he vanishes.

 

What about Hartlines prior years makes you believe that tannehill hindered him?

 

He was a rookie quarterback who played in a reasonably promising fashion but not in a particularly exemplary fashion. He frequently didn't see the field well as he should have.

 

With you on Lacy all day..

 

I've noticed that you like Ertz more than Eiffert, like to hear your thoughts on that.?

 

Does it matter if he missed the games because of injury X or Z? the fact of the matter he missed the games and glossing over the fact he missed 11 of 32 game is just moronic IMO. Signing a guy with a history of missing games you are going to get a guy that is going to miss games. As for the Hartline comment… Who said it was meant to be a joke or funny? Really, have you EVER seen an NFL player that has as much of a problem staying on his feet as Hartline does? My grandmother could tackle him in the open field… and she has been died since the mid 80's

 

Thill hindered him by throwing him the ball enough to get 1k yards...

 

I get why tannehill should have limited hartline, but hartline had by far his most successful year so my question is how did tannehill hinder him? What have you seen hartline do without tannehill that makes you believe he was limited by tannehill?

 

What round are we talking about here? There is no way I want the Fins taking a RB in the first 3 rounds.

 

Maybe Hartline is the real megatron… minus the QB… Megaline… lol

 

It's incredibly moronic to not look at the context of the injury. If it was a groin injury that was a recurring problem, then sure. He would be injury prone. But it isn't. It's an injury that hit him in the beginning of the season that he tried to play through and couldn't. All he needs is an off season of rest.

8 of those 11 games he's missed came this season. Before, he played in 13 games, 16 games, 16 games, 16 games, 13 games, and 14 games.

 

Lacy is the highest rated RB in this draft and a projected 2nd rounder at the least. Barring some currently unknown red flags health or off field wise that could drop him a couple of rounds, we ain't getting him. The odds are extremely low that even with 2 picks in the 2nd that Ireland would use one on a RB.

 

I'd be thrilled if we got Lacy with our 2nd 2 or later. If Bush is gone and we don't add any FAs then I think there's a lot better change that we do grab an RB earlier than people may think.

Anything to push DT to 3rd string.

 

Ertz is just as good a receiver in all aspects, but is also more physical and a more willing blocker than Eifert. His technique is raw inline but he is physically and mentally capable of doing well there.
Ertz could be another Gronk IMO, or as close as one could get to that level.
We all see different things, so feel free to disagree. I'd be very happy with either, though prefer Ertz.
This draft appears to have many nice options for WRs in the 2nd and 3rd. Less so at TE. So, even if we had to use our first on Ertz to insure getting him, we could come back and double down on a WR in both the 2nd and 3rd. Use the other 2nd and 3rd on a pass rusher and a corner.
Why do you like Eifert better?

 

I see Stepfan Taylor is rated as a 4th rounder. If we do draft another RB, I'd be more inclined to get a back like him at that point if it were up to me.
Your comment also speaks to the point of how futile it is to project whom we may draft before we see how free agency plays out. If Bush does not return, which seems to me like a 50/50 proposition at this point, and we do not sign any other UFA RBs then the position may take on a little more importance in the draft. Just as it would be at any other position.

 

It might be moronic not to look at it in context…. the context I look at it in is that he suffered that injury and missed time because of it. What is to say that he is not going to suffer it again? No injury prone player was injury prone until they got hurt for the first time.

 

Are groin injuries more likely to reoccur for a player who had one previously as opposed to a player who's never had one? Assuming the injury is completely healed in the player who had one, that is.

 

It also depends on how they feel about Gray

 

You can't just assume. If he's injury prone, you would have a history to point to. You don't.

 

I think they are, it is like a concussion in that once you get one you are more likely to get another (from what I have read).

 

Here is the history… 11 of 32 games

 

Jesus. Ok. Whatever you say.

 

thank you… moving on

 

Would bring the middle of the field into play again. Just got tired of all the pass plays to the outside because we have no seem threat.