The real risk with read-options and such is QB durability. Its one thing with plug and play college QBs, its another to find an NFL QB who can run and pass and then maintain health while running. Those hits add up. I can easily see Ireland taking a lineman, but jesus it would be nice to find a lineman outside of the top rounds. And for all those that say Warmack is a guaranteed player, he may be less of a bust risk, but there is no guarantee in this league. DeCastro was supposed to transform that Steelers line, and still may, but spent most of the year hurt. I don't think taking someone because they are "less risky" is a good strategy.
Apples to oranges IMO. Cooper's biggest asset is he is versatile and can play the G or C position very well. Warmack is just a bad mutherfoker at the G position.
Keenan is not only a great prospect he is a great fit in our scheme. If we can't land a Wallace, he makes a lot of sense.
I absolutely agree that there is no sure thing unless you name is Luck. You just can't predict what's going to happen especially when it comes to injuries. However, i would not categorize Warmack as a "less risky" strategy. He will simply be the BPA with the 12th pick and we have a serious need at G.
Right. To me it makes little sense to draft any WR with our first pick in our current spot. Id rather draft someone in round 2. My thought is, unless you have a can't miss prospect type like Larry Fitz or Megatron, you're better off looking in round 2. FA + Bailey honestly is more attractive than anything else st the moment. I think that FA is Jennings most likely due to productivity, cost, and connections. If can manage to grab a prototype TE prospect at some point (obvi that kid from ND would be sweet), I think were in business going forward.
He's not a burner but he has tremendous vision and is elusive after the catch. And Wallace AND Allen would have my pants soiled.
I was a very big fan of the wildcat and thought it would evolve Into some option type power football, one of the reasons why I've been looking for a Qb for three years with the right skillset to run it, it's why I was enamored with Ckap, Wilson, and RG, I said I wouldnt settle for just a drop back Qb, Qb athleticism would now be a priority, one of the reasons why I didn't want Mallett.. Look at what Harbaugh is doing in the pros, he's unbelievable, good luck stopping those offenses, with Kap and Wilson running them.
You right, it isn't that easy to fix. I doubt if Bush will be back with the Dolphins next year and Thomas just isn't the answer at the RB position. Miller might be a good change of pace back, but the Dolphins still need to find a reliable RB who can be their main running back. Just like you, I think the Dolphins need to upgrade RG and LT. I also am not sure Martin is a long term answer on the offensive line. To me he was overrated coming out of college and I think the Dolphins will be looking for an upgrade for Martin in the very near future. I am not sure the Dolphins are going to be willing to spend the money Hartline is looking for to sign with the team. I think the Dolphins need to upgrade their TE position and also sign or draft a legitimate #1 WR. If Hartline doesn't resign, the Dolphins will also be looking to bring in a comparable receiver for less money. The biggest question mark still on offense is whether of not Tannehill is the long term answer at the QB position for the Dolphins. Right now he is probably only the fourth best QB who was selected in the 2012 draft. I don't think the Colts, Redskins, or the Seahawks would trade their rookie QB's for Tannehill. While all these QB's continued to improve as the season went along, Tannehill continued to have up and down games. He may end up being a very efficient QB in the NFL in the future, but right now he is still a huge question mark, as far as I am concerned. The Dolphins are far from being close to what the 49er's are today. I see this rebuilding project taking at least two more years and that is only if Tannehill does work out as the Dolphins QB of the future. If he doesn't, this rebuilding process could take several more years and it will be a new GM and head coach here to start that rebuilding process.
Wait till cam newton gets some offensive threats. Bounced back quite nicely from a bad start and is a better trigger man for the SO IMO. He can play goal line QB and outrun defenders. Long ball is pretty nice too. His size alone gives me the impression he's more durable to play that way to.
Hes a reach at 12 but I think he'll be able to create his share of big plays even without top end speed. He's good after the catch and can make plays on the ball downfield. Good enough for me. Gates was a burner and Philbin had no use for him bc he couldn't beat press coverage or get open quickly. Our offense is about getting the ball out in rhythm and making plays after the catch, with an occasional deep shot when the D is overplaying the run or the quick game. IMO Allen would be a very good fit if he comes in ready to work.
Patterson isn't ready to hit the ground running as a NFL WR. He's very raw....Demaryius Thomas kind of raw in that it will take him a few years to put it all together. His teammate, Justin Hunter is more ready to contribute from Day 1. Poor man's AJ Green....not as polished as Green was when he left Georgia but I expect him to time better than Green did. I don't think he was fully recovered from his 2011 ACL injury last year but should he healthy around the Combine. But Patterson will be the most freakishly athletic WR in the draft. But I'm not sure he comes in and helps you out immediately.
Would I would do is sign Greg Jennings and Dustin Keller in free agency which would allow me to draft the best DB or pass rusher on the board at 12. I would draft Stedman Bailey in the second round and maybe even double down with the Colts pick by getting Robert Woods.
Honestly, this draft is LOADED at receiver. So much so, that I would have serious reservations about grabbing one where you guys are slotted. My honest opinion, there's two players I really like for you guys. Barrett Jones and Ed Lacy. Now I haven't looked at any mocks or seen where the pundits have guys slotted but if I could trade back and get Jones as insurance for JL, I'd wouldn't blink. Forget Warmack. Jones is the stud. A guy who can virtually play all 5 positions along the O-Line is a godsend and its criminal how nobody's talking about him. And he can play each one at a elite level. I'm hoping he falls to the Niners pick just so we can grab him and rub in ppls faces when he's making All-Pro teams. I see some of your fanbase saying they want a offense similar to ours. Get Lacy. Big guys like him that can move are rare. I'm usually spot on with my RBs. I loved Doug Martin last year. Ed Lacy is the guy this year. Again, if you can trade back and still get him and Jones is off the board, I wouldn't think twice. Perfect compliment to Bush and two headed monster of a run game takes a ton of pressure off Tanny. Plenty of studs at WR to be had in rounds 2-5.
Honestly, has Patterson improved the technical side of his game or has he basically just been a physical man among boys?
The question is do you go with Patterson in the first round or do you go with a pass rusher or corner in the first and pick up Bailey in the second. It's an interesting debate.
To me, that's a "no" to my question. I just feel like this happens every year or two and there's a physical freak at WR who is very rough around the edges but his athleticism and/or speed is otherworldly and......they never pan out. Maybe Moss, but that's it really. The guys that blow it up are generally the smart and talented WRs over these raw freaks. I see a guy like Bailey with Steve Smith type skill and a Hines Ward kick your *** mentality all wrapped up in a team player. and I think, that's our guy, that's as Philbin would say, a football player.
I agree with you about everything. But you also realize you just described Stephen Hill...how did he do this season? Its more to the NFL than just ability. Especially at a position like WR, where technique and attention to detail is paramount. He didn't run the full route tree in college. Your not going to be able to use him as much as you think early on. His game outside of his physical ability needs a lot of work. But the potential is through the roof. He could give Megatron a run for his money if puts in the work on his craft and dedicates himself to being the best. All I'm saying is to take a guy THAT high, you should want a more immediate return on your investment. Deandre Hopkins or Kennan Allen makes more sense that early. Or you could try your luck and wait a round or two and take a chance on a guy like Da'Rick Rodgers, probably as equal to Patterson as you'll find in the draft physically but has major off-field concerns. Hunter is the guy I like the most. But they're all interchangeable really for me this early.
While I also like Bailey, the only thing that concerns me is size. With the way we struggled to throw in the redzone/goal line, I don't know if a 5'10" receiver is the answer to more scores. Take a look at the top scoring receivers (including TE) this year. Only 5 players under 6'2" made the top 20 for TD's. Same for 2011. The guys who are under 6'2" are pretty talented players who're repeat offenders. Guys like Randal Cobb, Mike Wallace, Victor Cruz, and Torey Smith. If we target Jennings (5'11") in FA like I suspect we will, or even the guy I want, Mike Wallace (6'), I don't know if adding another 5'10" WR is really going to improve us in the redzone/goal line. Which we struggled to throw in quite a bit.
Fair isn't in the equation. A first round pick and your team's future is however. He will have to be a technician in Philbin's offense. That fact that he hasn't really bothered to improve on that level and just rely on his freakish talent is alarming to me.
Well if he did put effort into the technical stuff but hasn't really improved that would also be a red flag, wouldn't it?
I'm not sure we have the luxury of depending #12 on a WR who needs time to develop. I don't see any wideout who'd be the BPA any time before pick 20, and a guy who is raw makes even less sense IMO.
An unpolished receiver going early in the draft? Can't think of one off the top of my head but I'm sure there's been a few.
Patterson can also return punts so that will help us next season. Do you think he'll fall to the second round?
If I had to guess I'd say its entirely possible. Every draft is different and this one seems top heavy on d linemen. My hope is that we're able to trade down and still get one of the top wrs but if not I'd prefer taking the BPA at 12.
True. The difference being that QBs w upside are more coveted bc there just aren't many options past the first round. At WR though, you can typically find guys in later rounds who can be solid starters.
Even if that guy is Chance Warmack? I don't want us to draft anymore lineman in the first round but...that guy is damn good.
The 49ers took Iupati in the first round and it seems like a decent pick. But if you're not winning games people don't want to hear about how u took a LG in the first dozen picks.
