Uh, ya think that might be because you hired Tony Sparano to "mastermind" it? http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...-special-teams-coach-critical-team-management
Sparano to a "T", lot of plans lots of practice, very little implementation. Same thing happened with Pat White, Sparano can be ball less.
Westhoff is just a pawn in that is employed by a billionaire. Woody signed the checks and Woody thought the kid would put fannys in the seats. The mystery ends there. When Weshoff is a billionaire he can do whatever he wants.
It blew my mind when I first learned they had hired Sparano as their OC. I told my wife, its like the plague just lowered itself in NY.
why did we even fire Westoff ? i thought the fireing of WR coach Robert Ford, sp teams coach Mike Westoff , and oline coach Paul Bordeuax was a mistake .
Why did Westoff get let go ? His contract was up, and the Genius that is Wannstedt wanted bring in his buddy Mr Armstrong. So he just lets one of the greatest Special Teams guys go......the downfall started at that point.....there was no coming back. Mike Westhoff has told the story before of how he got word that Wannstedt wanted to see him in his office. Westhoff thought to himself, "Well I can ask for a raise, we did well last year and my unit improved over the last year". And to his amazement Wanny instead of talking contract and a raise, tells him he is "going in a different direction". Westhoff said he laughed and said you are joking right, and Wanny answered with a straight face no I am serious, we are not bringing you back. Wanny has never refuted the story so I am guessing that's exactly how it went down.
You know, its weird, Tebow is probably the only player I've known that gets no blame when he can't start or perform well enough in practice to win a job. You think if he was lighting it up and that Ryan actually thought he could win games that he wouldn't have played him? Everyone blames the organization and yeah they were dumb for picking him up but if Tebow couldn't beat out Sanchez and McElroy then maybe he just didn't work hard enough on his mechanics/learning the play book, overcoming his faults, etc. Is that so hard to think that maybe he just isn't good enough to win a NFL starting job right now?
To be fair to Wanny,he did have a stellar career in Pitt. after that.(2009 Meineke Car Care Bowl Champion) Not to mention his vaunted D in Buffalo the last two seasons.
This is one of those things that are beyond debate or even discussion, like the world being round and the earth revolving around the sun. Absolute cosmic truth.
Partially, yes, because he was so good in college that it's difficult to believe that the NFL can't use him somehow. Westhoff's point here is 100% accurate.
Westhoff is an *******. The way he threw Sparano under the bus today underscored that. He is a dick, especially after the **** he pulled here during his retirement. **** him. Hope he gets crabs.
Westhoff is right in the sense that the Jest did mishandle Tebow, but the notion that he was "so good in college" so naturally that would translate to the Pros is just downright silly. Tons of players have been studs in college and haven't done anything in the Pros. He wasn't predicted to do well in the Pros because of all of his obvious throwing motion flaws and accuracy problems. Those haven't improved in 3 Pro Seasons, its not hard to see that he won't be a longterm starter in the Pros, and its his fault for not working on his throwing motion and throw issues, he hasn't gotten better. Now that Jacksonville doesn't want him he might not be in the league next year. This is not to mention that picking him up means getting the team-killing circus that comes to town with him. Granted that circus isn't all his fault but its still there.
Yup. Wanny wanted to bring in Keith Armstrong. Westhoff thought he was getting a raise because, well, he had only been the NFL Special Teams Coach of the Year for the 2000 season.
Boy, for someone who calls out the supporters for Tebow for being weird, you sure seem to go to the mat talking up Tebow's flaws. It almost seems personal.
The Jets Offensive situation is laughable. In 2009 they get to the AFC Championship game by employing stellar defense and a ground and pound offensive philosophy that helps limit Sanchez's shortcomings. In 2010 they opened it up a little, but with mixed results. Come playoff time they lean back on the ground and pound philosophy and make it back to the AFC Championship game. In 2011, they open it up some more. Sanchez is not up to the task. Brian Schottenheimer gets canned, and Rex vows to return to the "Ground and Pound" philosophy. Enter Tony Sparano. In 2012, Tony Sparano makes Brian Schottenheimer look like Don Coryell. Exit Tony Sparano. Rex now vows to open up the offense. Again. And they still have Sanchez.
From my point of view as a Fins fan I thought it was a terrible handling of Tebow, in that they didn't let him play against us and thus give us a better chance to win. As an objective observer I thought the coaching staff handled it well by not letting him throw the ball. The GM is the one who's to blame for whatever mess ensued by bringing Tebow in when they already had a QB better than him on the roster.
From the get, it was obvious that he wasn't gonna be used effectively because to do that effectively, you have to know how to design a specific offense, like what McCoy did with the spread..Sparano only knew how to design a direct snap.. To put tebow out there would of exploited Sparanos weaknesses in a real live game, to an embarrassing fashion.
In all honesty, when the Jets traded for Tebow during the last offseason and hired Sparano as their OC, I was 100% confident Tebow was going to end up as the starter by week 8. I just knew it deep in my soul, afterall... Tebow is a hard nose running quarterback Tebow isn't afraid one bit to take the ball and POUND through the offensive line Tebow did get the Broncos to the playoffs the previous year The "Wildcat" offense was born under Sparano in Miami Regardless of his overall QB skills, Tebow does throw the ball better than Ronnie Brown Having Tebow on the field all of the time allowed for a "Wildcat" play to come out of nowhere vice it was broadcasted in Miami when Ronnie lined up behind center. With all of these elements, I was CERTAIN Tebow was going to be the starter after such time that Sanchez imploded in New York. I'm happy this never came to pass as I am a Tebow (and Gators) fan and having a player I really like actually playing for our arch nemesis would have put me in an emotional pickle. The fact that Sparano was never able to actually take advantage of the tools he did have available in New York (namely Tebow) certainly demonstrates to me he has ZERO credibility and the inability to field an effective offense. Granted he wasn't he wasn't the Jets' HC, but as the OC, you're SUPPOSED to have stroke with the HC as far as the offensive strategy. Apparently Sparano lacks that ability. I wish the Jets wouldn't have fired him, I'm sorry buffalo hired Nathaniel Hackett as their OC. Any chance New England might hire him as their OC?
The biggest mistake the Jets made with Tebow was trading for him in the first place. It had nothing to do with Sparano. The fact is that Tebow just isn't a quality NFL QB and it appears no team is interested in him as a QB, is proof of this. Tebow was a great college player, but he just isn't a player who has a real position in the NFL. It would not surprise me in the least if Tebow is no longer in the NFL after this season.
Regarding the Westhoff / Wanny thing, it's amazing that a decade later I still am learning of the multitude of amazing ways that Wannstache ****ed over this franchise. Regarding Tebow - Is it crazy for me to think the Patriots will land him at a bargain and find a brilliant way to get production out of him? I don't think it will involve playing QB. Just a hunch.
Its 'part' of the process and its why tons of college greats go undrafted or drafted late. Its why Heisman winners don't automatically go onto great NFL careers. Its why college backups or guys that don't put up great numbers can go onto long NFL careers. Its doesn't mean all that much.
If there's one team, and one coach, that could use him to get the most out of his abilities then it's the Pats and Belichick. Much as it pains me to admit it.
We must be watching different drafts. Winning the Heisman has nothing to do with being great in the NFL, absolutely.
Andre Ware, Gino Torretta, Charlie Ward, Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch...all Heisman winning QB's who had no career in the NFL, despite being good enough QB's at college level to win the top individual college award. Were any of them misused in the pros, or were they just great in college and not suited to the pros?
I'm wondering how diminished "the circus" surrounding him might be from now on. He still causes conversation, but its mostly snide and derisive lately. Has his star fallen more than even he realizes ?
