Don't form any opinions on personnel accrual yourself. Just sit back and trust Ireland whatever he does. Right?
This is where you are wrong. The best owners are football guys. They grew up with it. And as owners they are literally trained by their familes in running a football franchise, right down to GM's, and how to hire/keep coaches. Football ownership philosophy. It's not for neophytes. The Mara, Rooneys, and Kraft (who was literally mentored by the Maras Giants staff... because they wanted him to get a football franchise education) are successful for a reason. And it;'s not because they ran ****ing real estate companies, then asked King Carl Peterson fro some advice on football.
This is so off base. The Patriots under Robert Kraft are a well run franchise. Pats 205-99 Since Kraft bought the team 54-42 With Kraft as owner and NO Belichick Dolphins 38-42 With Ireland I don't agree with your point. At all.
What u said was that, collectively, fans know better than some GMs. If that's the case then why bother with a GM, let the fans vote for who the team should draft/sign. Fans don't know jack besides what they see on tv and in the news and no one who knows anything gives a rats *** what we think. It's one thing to discuss picks and do mocks, but IMO the fans who think they know are the ones who probably know the least. I agree that some fans can make guesses on who will pan out and who won't and sometimes they are right. And those same fans can guess what the weather will be like tomorrow and be right just as often.
You keep cutting out cancerous looking cells, and when you finally remove the right one, the patient stops being all sick and ****. Ireland is the last remaining. Maybe it's NOT him... be he's the next logical tumor to excise if we don't progress.
Then, if Ireland does, you will probably defend him for making that decision. I cannot recall you ever second guessing anything he's ever done. Excuse me if I missed it.
I've criticized a lot of moves made by the team with Ireland as GM. Biggest one I can recall was trading for Brandon Marshall.
Absolutely a better GM could be found. You could also find a worse GM. Jeff Ireland could also improve. Jeff Ireland could also become worse. The team could become successful purely because of luck, and Jeff Ireland could get the credit. My point here is that whatever happens, we have very limited information about the front office. If I'm going to criticize the team, I'm going to criticize the team. I'm not going to pick out Jeff Ireland or Brian Gaine or Dawn Aponte or Stephen Ross.
I watch football for fun. I don't take it all that seriously. And I'm not anti fan, I'm anti-dumb fans. Fans who complain about the secondary but can't name any/explain the primary coverages we use. Or they trash the OL and don't know squat about our blocking scheme or the techniques the players are being taught. And of course the Irish haters that have never seen the inside of a draft room, scouting dept or budget meeting but they know how good of a job the GM is doing. Oh, and people who only watch the games once or twice, at a bar or over beers but they know why we lost and who did or didn't play well. People who use QB rating to judge quarterbacks. And most of all people who know who we shoulda drafted, two years after the fact. I think that about covers it.
I do think when it comes to the position of GM, revisionist history should be in play in their personal evaluation...their job is to project talent..taking someone over another player you could of had, and having that player become better than the one you selected is a mistake, and should be judged accordingly.
I guess if that what you define a star but a star rb to me is peterson or foster not bush.Anyway you didn't answer the question.Who would you rather have odrick and misi or thomas?
In many cases, they'd do a better job. I guess that includes you, so why should I take your opinion seriously? Quite the conundrum you've painted yourself into there.
Pretty sure he meant depending on FA. See the Redskins recently and the Amazing Dream Team Eagles for recent examples.
He is not talking years after the fact. Many fans went berserk the day of the Jamar Fletcher and Eddie Moore picks. They were all correct.
I love how Ross puts all the blame on his first three years as the owner on Parcells. He basically stated that he only felt he had control over what what happening with the team in the past year. This is totally absurd when you consider that he became the majority owner of the team after the 2008 season and he has no one to blame for the past four years except himself. As the majority owner, he had every right to select his own coach and get rid of Parcells immediately upon buying the team. He merely is using others to scapegoat the fact he has no idea what he is doing as an NFL owner. In the article, he starts out by stating he is willing to spend whatever is necessary to upgrade the talent on the roster. He then turns around and points out that free agency is not the solution, but the Dolphins should build through the draft. This organization isn't going anywhere with an owner like Ross. He doesn't have a clue what it takes to build a winning organization and the fact that he is satisfied with another sub 500 season, merely shows that he thinks mediocre is just fine. I look forward to the day he puts the team up for sale. He is the problem with this organization. It is as simple as that.
2008 was his first year owning a sports team... Can't expect him to go in there and fire everybody. He believed parcels knew what he was doing, just like everyone else did He'll, the team went 1-15 to 11-5... Everyone bought into it. How do you fire him after that? He's right with free agency not being the solution. When was the last time a team won the Super Bowl by building through free agency? It's more than that. You need to draft well too. People like to complain just to complain. I don't think he could have said anything to make people happy. There still would be something to complain about Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I partially agree with you, but you're a little off when you say fans don't know jack. Take a look at this unrelated article about Tony Sparano being fired - http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/e...parano-continue-search-for-offensive-identity Does that sound familiar? How many Dolphin fans knew what a disaster Sparano would be for the Jets months before the season happened? Plenty. I do agree though, I'd wager that every GM employed in the league today is more qualified and knows much more than the average fan or fan base. The mistake is thinking this means they are the best person for the job. Knowing more than a fan is what doesn't mean jack.
My problem with him is that he doesn't want to take any of the heat for what happened the first three years he owned the team. If he didn't think Parcells was the right man for the job, he could have fired him after the team went 7-9 in 2009. I just figure that someone who paid over a billion dollars for the team and stadium, wouldn't wait until the team had three consecutive losing seasons before he finally decided to get rid of the HC. He feels the team is headed in the right direction, yet the 2012 team scored less points and gave up more points than the 2011 team did. He has been the owner for four years. The Dolphins have been a sub 500 team for every one of those four years. If you are satisfied with how he has run this organization, so be it. I just think he is a lousy owner and he has no idea what he he doing. It is his football team, he can do what he wants. I just hope he enjoys the smaller and smaller crowds as this team remains a non factor under his ownership.
ross & irish are two peas in a pod. no wonder mr "i can only acquire low ceiling players" lasted this long. the good ol "it's not my fault defense." every time ross opens his yapper the value of the franchise depreciates.
I agree, knowing more than a fan base doesn't mean jack. And I never liked Sparano as a tactician and I was glad to see him go. However, if Sparano was a bad fit and a bad HC then why the obsession with firing Ireland based on what happened while Tony was the coach? Why not give him a chance to build a squad for Philbin and see where that goes? I know 7 wins ain't much but it's more than most expected and the team seems to be headed in the right direction.
Fair enough. I've already conceded that fans can guess correctly on picks from time to time. Even I get a few right here and there.
My position has always been Ireland was a substantial part of that failed regime which is why he should have been out with Tony Sparano. It was a problem that extended from Parcells and went down to his chosen puppets. And I think Ireland has only gotten worse since Parcells has been gone, not better. And I saw nothing in the way he did business this season to think he'll do any better for Philbin. I don't buy into the fact that those 2 have some kind of amazing synergy and that Ireland is going to find Philbin the players he wants and needs. But I really do hope I'm wrong and he does because Philbin is stuck with him for at least one more year.
My position is doggystyle or reverse cowgirl, but that's just me. Either way, Ireland will be here for a while and that was basically cemented when he traded Marshall and Davis for picks. No GM makes those moves if their *** in on the line to win right now. Instead of spinning wheels on whether he stays or goes why not focus on what moves he can make to get us to where we want to go. Our weaknesses are not exactly Top Secret.
I don't know how you could say we're worse. After the misleading 11-5 season, we've been 7-9, 7-9, 6-10, 7-9. Obviously not good and definitely not acceptable, but it is consistent mediocrity. Watching this team year after year, I truly believe we're pretty close to contending. We just need the right pieces to get us over that mediocrity hump. Ryan Tannehill and Joe Philbin look like a good start. Now we need to get some playmakers. If we don't show significant improvement next season then he'll be gone, as should be. Let's enjoy this ride and hope for the best. I'm hopeful.
Also, do people just ignore the fact the we have the 2nd youngest team in the NFL? We aren't a team that's filled with savvy veterans. I know we're all sick of mediocrity, but it takes a little time when you're full of youth.
Didn't necessarily say the team was worse. I think they are better with Philbin at the helm. I just think overall, Ireland has been worse since Parcells departed. But agree to disagree. On everything except the bolded part. I can agree to that.
