Perhaps we're currently greater concerned with his more important transition to TE than spending time developing him as a STer. Honestly, how much more do you want the rookies head to spin?
Of course, it doesn't matter what we, as fans, think with regard to whether we are OK at TE and/or need an upgrade. What matters is what Ireland and Philbin think. They should have a pretty good idea of that. That doesn't mean they'll be right about it, as teams misevaluate their own talent all the time, but Philbin has seen as much of Egnew as he thinks he needs to (and if he hasn't, he can remedy that pretty easily). I'd certainly like to see Egnew play. I don't automatically conclude that he can't just because the coaches have decided not to play him. I've seen way too many great players, with talent and skills that were obvious to even casual fans, that coaches kept inactive or on the bench for extended periods of time. Cam Wake's explosiveness and pass rushing skills were obvious as a rookie, but he got less than 200 snaps as a rookie. Victor Cruz got 4 snaps as a rookie. Wes Welker couldn't get on the field as a WR as a rookie. Arian Foster got 54 carries as a rookie. Darren Sproles got 8 carries and 3 receptions as a rookie. And it wasn't a matter of massive skill development after they came into the NFL -- these guys all had obvious skills and productivity in college (or in Wake's case, the CFL).
Tyler would be an excellent draft for Miami. Miami needs for 2013: 1) stud TE to spread the game 2) break-away WR for deep threat 3) shut-down corner to compliment Smith 4) elite guard fix for offensive line 5) pass-rush specialist to compliment Wake would like to see an upgrade @offensive line coach & a new field goal kicker brought in to compete for the job
I'm not saying there isn't a rookie learning curve. I'm saying your claim that there's a three year rule on rookie development is false. There are no rules.
No, he's saying you constantly play that card to defend Ireland's picks. And that it may apply in some cases, but not all. Putz.
Either there's a typical rookie curve or there isn't. You don't get to pick and choose when to use it just b/c you don't like Ireland and want to prematurely call his picks a bust. BTW, I don't "play the card to defend Ireland's picks". That's an ignorant, stupid assertion and is a bull**** attempt to discredit a poster's opinion just b/c you have a different one. Fools said the same crap (ignorantly labeling me as a Henne lover) b/c I was highly against signing Orton, trading for Kolb or Palmer, or spending a 1st rounder on Mallett, Gabbert, or Ponder, especially if it meant trading up. But no, I was right and those same fools were wrong.... and as far back as last November I was lightly criticized for calling Tannehill a top 12 pick and saying he should be our selection, but no, I was right about that, too. I could very well be wrong about not supporting Ireland's firing, but it sure as **** has nothing to do with me ridiculously hugging his jock. Sorry but I'm not a typical knee-jerk reacting fan who loses composure in the face of adversity causing them to want to make costly rash decisions that hurt the organization. Go back and research my track record of past predictions and opinions and then tell me "I'm playing some type of card" as I've had many that weren't shared with the common fan but ended up being correct.
ANYWAY some other Tight Ends that the Dolphins might think about aside from Tyler Eifert are in my opinion, Chris Gragg, Justice Cunningham, Phil Lutzenkirchen, Joseph Fauria and Travis Kelce. I don't know Justice Cunningham's back story or why he's not been wholly productive but he's got great size and even if he doesn't have great straight line speed he's really a fantastic athlete that does things with his body and makes plays on the ball that are pretty incredible. [video=youtube;y0VTcAiGxCU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0VTcAiGxCU[/video] And the thing about Phil Lutzenkirchen despite his lack of size is just the fact that he's always making good plays on the football and away from the football. His blocking skills are way above par for his size in my opinion, he leads with a straight back into contact, and he's always going 100% at every moment of every play with no hesitation, no mamby-pambying around. That allows him to play faster and more athletic than guys that are faster and more athletic. Would anyone really be surprised if Phil Lutzenkirchen made THE play that wins THE biggest game of the season? Even if it's some ridiculous one-handed catch, or a play where you'd swear he's down and then he's not and he runs for 15 more yards to put you in game-winning field goal range? That in my opinion is what he brings to the table. Here's a token video of him. [video=youtube;tnxq1wweCCk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnxq1wweCCk[/video] The thing that has impressed me about Travis Kelce is that he's been consistently the biggest cog in the Cincinnati passing game and has been really consistent. He makes plays for them and is a natural football player. Good size and athletic ability. I'm assuming he's related to Jason Kelce. Token video of him. Only one play. [video=youtube;wqsq0FNVAOo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqsq0FNVAOo[/video] Chris Gragg has the burst that makes me wonder if he might actually be a personnel mismatch instead of just a guy that "can play in this league" so to speak. I see explosive movement, though on a small frame for the position. [video=youtube;49dhCOLxzDE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49dhCOLxzDE[/video] And then there's Joseph Fauria whom it feels like I've been talking about for years. His size is just so immense that he can hold the safety in the middle of the field just by his mere presence. It's nice that he adds some basketball athleticism and jumping skills to that size. Plays the ball pretty well and I think he has the potential to be a genuine blocker. Videos on Fauria to follow....
Here are those Fauria videos, most of them from 2011. [video=youtube;4WocpNZucAo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WocpNZucAo[/video] [video=youtube;t8xyJRjIPTk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8xyJRjIPTk[/video] [video=youtube;a4xazpvM4TQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4xazpvM4TQ[/video] [video=youtube;SkTtt7Z5_l8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTtt7Z5_l8[/video]
Sooo what your saying is you play that card, because your on Ireland's jock? And if given the chance you would seduce him in your trailer??
Bump… So this kid plays tonight, huh? I haven’t seen him play yet so I am very intreagued to see what this kid brings to the table, as he seems to be the consensus top TE in this class, and possibly worth as high as our 12th pick. Can anyone give me some information/breakdowns on this kid? Strengths/weaknesses? I know he has the size at 6’6/250lbs… but how is his speed? Does he have the ability to be a seam threat? How is he in the redzone? Only 4 TDs would seem a little low, but like I said I haven’t seen him play or really even seen Notre Dame play, so I don’t know what lead to that (maybe they run a lot in the red zone?). But when a tiny receiver like SBailey can get 25 TDs, and he only as 4… it seems a little concerning? How is his blocking, both in pass pro and run blocking? Appreciate it!
Well, I have him as the most impactful offensive player available in the draft..and a fit for our team.win/win...so if we're gonna stay at 12, and were going offense, he would be my guy..however, there are a few defensive players that would come first.. But this offseason, there is a clear objective to upgrade this offensive roster..I think he's very high on our board.. As far as his game, he's a complete package Nasty, not a lot of flaws, real good blocker, inline/perimeter,who has the raw ability to line up outside on the next play and make a play, athletic ability and movement is that of a very large wide receiver, can actually be effective in the short game with his coordination and quickness to run after catch, excellent catch radius, can't throw over his head because of his great vertical ability and hands, and with Tannehills touch and accuracy down the seam, his skillset is a match for our Qb.. He doesn't have the speed of a Graham, or V Davis, but he moves and runs well.
Does he have enough speed to threat the defense vertically down the seam? If he has that, while VDavis speed is nice to have, thats all you need IMO. How is his ability in the redzone? He doesnt have a ton of TDs. Is that more a reflection on the offense as a whole? Or is that not a strong area for him?
A better passing Qb is going to get much more out of this dudes polished skillset. He has enough speed..you'll probabaly see a high 4.6 at the combine, and just moves well down the seam, can turn that head like you need without losing speed, go up high and snatch with that good size and vertical. Notre Dame's Qb aren't the most deft at throwing tds, or placing nice throws that exploit the talent of the receiver, I mean this kid can make a living on the fade route, but as you know that's not an easy throw to make, Notre dame runs the football, and their Qb likes to run the football, so throwing fade routes, back shoulders, or a bunch of Jerk routes to the tight end around the goal line was not that prevalent..
Phinsational: Is 100% correct & dead on, this kid going to take time to adjust to the NFL. When we drafted him it was a 3 year window. Same as when the Chargers drafted Vincent Jackson back in the day. [diffrent postion but same principle]
All you have to do is watch the first quarter of the game tonite to know Eiffert is an excellent prospect, solid first round variety.. They matched him on the all American corner on the outside, at 6'5 1/2 250, was thrown two deep fades, and imo won both battles, and made great catches, even though he didn't get the call, and even though one was overthrown, he won the matchup on the outside against the best corner in the country..Pretty freakin cool if you ask me...dude runs the full route tree. Then watch him block in the flat, and sustain with perfect technique for a good 4 seconds, simply driving the guy backwards and out of the play. That guy should be #1 on our offensive board.
He's obviously a bad ***, but we need to fix our oline otherwise we'll need him to block, like we did with Fasano this year.
Why do you want to replace Jim Turner? I really don't think any of we fans can accurately conclude the less than stellar performance of the OL was due to his coaching as opposed to scheme change, talent level, and development. As for kicker, I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Kaeding and letting he and Carpenter duel it out next summer.
Signing a UFA like Dustin Keller and drafting either Eifert or Zach Ertz would do a long ways toward bolstering our TE position.
I love to see Tyler Eifert in a Dolphins uniform, but not at the 12th spot of this draft. [Big Fighting Irish fan] A] We need to move back in the draft, then select him. [plus add another pick or two] B] Use our extra picks, then move back into end end of the 1st round [then select him there]
He's a good blocker, so that's why his presence on our team could be more impactful than a wide receiver, and he's a guy that can get open for Ryan when Ryan starts to get out of the pocket, these two will live off each other in the short to intermediate pass game when protection breaks down.
I like Eifert but I'm not sure I see where he's a real game breaker or guy that will be feared. I don't like him as part of my top group of players, but I do like him as part of my second group.
I have no reason to believe this guy will get to the end of the first round..He's the best at his position by a good amount, and teams are trying to upgrade the position..a three down player with size and great talent. "Tyler Eiffert was one of the two players who worked the hardest this offseason"...Brian Kelly. If you wanna look at some of his stats and point it out that he had a better year last year, I would say this, last year he played against one man, this year it was more often Two.
How many in your top group are offensive players CK? I'm only talking here with the idea that were going offense in the first.
Man, i was just catching up on this thread..... poor guy was talking to a brick wall there. Feel bad for not being around to back him up, but like i said...... Brick eff'n wall of delusion there. Everyone always so eager to label a rookie as worthless, and basically ignore how the game works in the process. Some people never learn, and yearn for dissapointment. Probably missed it because i don't talk draft prospects during the season, (except for Luck last year). Porops to Nasty on the bump. I like Eifert, but I think the chances of him being an option are way too thin to get excited about him. Would require a trade down or trade back up. How does he compare to Rudolph? He had a slow rookie year, than burst onto the scene this year.
After watching higlights, and last night, I like how GD versatile the guy is. I mean, one one play, he's lined up in the traditional TE spot, power blocking, and doing a damned good job at it too. The next play, he's in the slot, the next he's out wide like a WR, running fade patterns against the defense's top corner. I mean, how many tight ends can do that, even Gronk? This guy has star written all over him, especially once he gets an NFL QB throwing to him, not a freshman in college. Seems to have excellent hands, and my gosh, the leaping ability. I can see him quickly becoming Tannehill's favorite target on third down. Imagine having the choice of Eifert and Bess on third down and less than 10! I see our third-down percentage going way up. Not to mention his Red Zone ability. I liked him before last night, but just after watching that first quarter, I'm sold. We need to get him into the fold somehow!
Yes, very impressed by Milliner as well, not just on the Eifert plays. My only concern is - while he made the plays - a couple times, WRs got a little bit of separation on him on deep balls. Part of his ability to make the play was the balls being a tad underthrown. I fear a Tom Brady thrown ball may have made it into the hands of the receiver. Maybe I'm overreacting, but it was a small concern I had, even as he was making the play. Then again, he seems like an aggressive guy, who will fight to make the play no matter what the situation, and would find a way to get there?
Sherman thought a few players were going to be good at Texas A&M and they turned out to be duds, another part of the reason he got fired and another part of the reason nobody is even entertaining that thought of bringing him in or even interview him for any HC position. We may still luck out and have some half baked new HC offer him a gabbillion dollars to be OC. The Day Sherman leaves Miami is the first day this offense will progress forward. Believe me, when they fire him everyone on this board will light a candle in church in Thanks.
What happened to him ? He finally faced a real good interior offensive line and got his assss kicked sideways. I will tell you right now, he is not going to do much in the NFL.
