Sean Smith and the Dolphins "Far Apart" on contract talks

Which is coincidentally exactly what he's asking for.

 

Marshall did a **** job.... I don't know how many times CK has pointed out the amount of receptions and PI calls he gave up in his limited time as a starter before his back injury but it's a telling stat that matches the film IMO. Carroll did a **** job but performed better as the season went on. Patterson, I don't believe there is enough film on him in a Miami uniform to change what I think of him from Cleveland.

 

Here is what is says:

Marshall played safety on nickel when Rhodes was out. In base defense, Rashad JOHNSON was replacing Rhodes at safety.

 

He's pretty much asking for one more year with those numbers. I'd rather give Smith a 4-5 year deal personally.

 

my bad, I meant browner...it was the same year we brought in Wake, yeah I think it was then.

 

I will be very surprised if Smith, Hartline, Long, Fasano, or Starks, or Bush are members of the Dolphins in 2013. All these players have been with the Dolphins for several years, yet the team hasn't had a winning season since 2008. None of them are impact players and therefore I don't see the Dolphins offering them salaries which would put them in the same pay range of the players at their positions. who are actually impact players in the NFL.

I think the Dolphins will continue to build through the draft and use some of their cap money to bring in players who are as capable as these players, but at less money. The Dolphins will continue to be a rebuilding team in 2013 and it will be 2104 or 2015 before they become a playoff factor in the AFC. Of course the Dolphins becoming a legitimate playoff contender in the future depends on the development of Tannehill. If he doesn't show significant improvement in 2013, the Dolphins will probably be looking for new QB in the 2014 draft.

 

Nickel CB money tops out at about $5.5 million a year. That's what Richard Marshall signed for and it's what Dimitri Patterson signed for.

The money for #2 corners goes from about $5 million (Sheldon Brown's initial contract with Cleveland) to about $8.0 million (Antonio Cromartie's contract).

 

I think that is completely reasonable for Sean Smith to ask for that type of money (#2 corner money) and it just re-assures me that we shouldn't have Patterson and Marshall both on this roster unless we move Marshall to safety.

 

Are we saying the average salary for the 2 nd corner is 7 mill a year?

 

I don't know. I'd have to look into something like that.

 

There is a substantial difference, so on the low end I would offer.

 

I'm not sure thats an issue, especially when they want Marshall in the slot as much as possible.

 

Ck did it

 

Ones that sign new contracts, yes.

 

That and it'd just be awful to have a good replacement at safety if Jones got hurt.

 

If you insist on paying Sean Smith $5 million a year you are essentially saying that ideally he's your #3 (nickel) corner. If that's what people think then so be it. I disagree. However if you're acknowledging he is a #2 corner but you insist $5 million a year is the number, then you're contradicting yourself.

 

Year after, iirc they only wanted to sign one CFLer and Browner was in the running but lost out.

Was that yr we brought in Restelli?

 

WADR to posters here, it's really a slap in the face to think Smith is worth only $5.0M.

 

Yes, and there's absolutely context for those issues. He played through the back injury for a time, and had a single **** game(and it wasn't vs. the Jets).

 

You are not allowed to bring sense and reason into this debate.

"I hate Sean Smith, he is inconsistent, let him walk".

He walks, gets exactly what he is asking for (and gets the same type of offer from 4-5 teams).

"What is Ireland doing?!?!?!?!"

Rinse and repeat.

He is asking for #2 corner money, basically EXACTLY what he deserves and should be asking for, I'd pay him. We can not afford to trade Vontae AND lose Sean Smith for nothing in less than a calendar year. We have cap space. Ireland is in a SUPER difficult situation.

 

He was bad the year before last as well. He is a free safety not a corner.

 

Yes. Like CK said, by saying "we should give him $5 million a year" you are essentially calling him a nickel corner, which he is not. He is a good starter.

 

Smith is really not worth a hell of a lot more. He is the best of what around but he is not what Id call good.

 

He wasn't in any sense bad in 2011, and I'm not sure what you would be forming that opinion based on.

 

Is there any proof that he was playing through back injuries at that time? I hear this a lot and I wonder if it's just assumptions.

 

but they went after the tall corner in the draft, who'sthe better corner in the NFL in your opinion?

 

That in no way is 2nd corner money. What team outside of the Jets or maybe Atlanta (who have 2 real good ones each) would pay that much for a #2 corner? $7.2 million a year would put Sean Smith in the top 5 base(depending on other deals signed this year) paid guys this year...in avg alone.

Nnamdi Asomugha at Cornerback $11,000,000
Brent Grimes at Cornerback $10,281,000
Champ Bailey at Cornerback $8,000,000
Johnathan Joseph at Cornerback $7,250,000
Chris Gamble at Cornerback $6,750,000

Now granted he wouldn't crack the top 10 in average salary but he's not worth top 15 money either.

Sean Smith is walking at that rate. If Jacksonville doesn't franchise Cox....that would be my target if were going to spend a huge load at CB.

Paying Smith that kind of money would be reason to crucify Ireland. Especially when I think with the way this market is shaping up...he could get much better.

 

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20..._1_nickel-spot-nolan-carroll-dolphins-defense

He hurt his back in the Oakland game, which was week two. He missed the whole second half of that game, but played the next two games.

 

Based on what?

 

You are just looking at base salaries, not total cap hits. In terms of cap hit, there are probably 30 players that currently have a cap value of $5M+.

 

Based on the fact I don't see many average guys at CB making that kind of cash. Whoever signs Smith to that kind of cash is cutting him in a couple years.

I'm just saying if we can do better....I'd go balls out and do it. Cox is a MUCH better corner who we could probably get for a few million more if he isn't franchised (it is Jacksonville after all).

 

I only have access to the top 10 but Antonio Cromartie is #10 at $8.2 million cap hit. That top 10 list....Smith couldn't even sniff their jock straps.

 

You have no idea how the salary cap works then.

 

I don't think if you take all the starting 2nd corners salaries and average them out your going to have 7 mill a year..

 

You mean the salary cap that isn't getting raised and is pretty much the same as the last couple years? That salary cap? You think Smith is worth top 15 money? I'd rather go for Grimes/Cox or about 3-4 other corners before I would even look at Smith in free agency.

Show me a team that signs Smith for that............and I'll show you the team that regrets it and cuts him before it's half over.

 

I think we have to sign him, even if they have to overpay.

 

Which is exactly why we shouldn't have traded Vontae.

 

When considering Marshall I think it's important to keep in mind he's coming off of back surgery to repair two ruptured disks.

Doesn't mean he's finished at all, but I wouldn't go putting a lot of eggs in that basket.

 

I don't. Remember we have a lot of guys signed that can fill the #2 spot and right down the depth chart. What we lack is a #1 guy.

Can you guys honestly tell me you want to pay Smith that kind of money to be the unquestioned #1 guy?

That scares the crap out of me quite frankly.

 

Arizona - Patrick Peterson & William Gay
Atlanta - Dunta Robinson & Asante Samuel
Baltimore - Lardarius Webb & Cary Williams
Buffalo - Stephon Gilmore & Aaron Williams
Carolina - Chris Gamble & Captain Munnerlyn
Chicago - Charles Tillman & Tim Jennings
Cincinnati - Leon Hall & Terrance Newman
Cleveland - Joe Haden & Sheldon Brown
Dallas - Brandon Carr & Morris Claiborne
Denver - Champ Bailey & Chris Harris
Detroit - Chris Houston & Jacob Lacey
Green Bay - Tramon Williams & Casey Hayward
Houston - Johnathan Joseph & Kareem Jackson
Indianapolis - Vontae Davis & Cassius Vaughn
Jacksonville - Derek Cox & Aaron Ross
Kansas City - Brandon Flowers & Javier Arenas
Minnesota - Antoine Winfield & Chris Cook
New England - Kyle Arrington & Alfonzo Dennard
New Orleans - Jabari Greer & Patrick Robinson
New York Giants - Corey Webster & Prince Amukamara
New York Jets - Darrelle Revis & Antonio Cromartie
Oakland - Michael Huff & Joselio Hanson
Pittsburgh - Ike Taylor & Keenan Lewis
San Diego - Quentin Jammer & Antoine Cason
Seattle - Richard Sherman & Brandon Browner
San Francisco - Carlos Rogers & Tarell Brown
St. Louis - Cortland Finnegan & Janoris Jenkins
Tampa Bay - Eric Wright & E.J. Biggers
Tennessee - Jason McCourty & Alterraun Verner
Washington - DeAngelo Hall & Josh Wilson

Now, if I'm being very strongly critical of Sean Smith then there are 40 players above I would start in a game above Sean Smith if a game were held tomorrow. On the other hand if I'm a fan of Sean Smith there are only 27 of them. The reality is somewhere in the middle of that and if I'm going with how I feel about him I come close to 31 or 32.

This is why he's a borderline #1/#2 corner in the NFL and that's why his contract demands are actually market value to below market value. He's not asking to top 5 money. The franchise tag for a corner was worth over $10 million last year. He's asking for $7 million, only about $1.5 million above what you would give to a NICKEL corner that you considered to be very good as a nickel.

How this is seen as a ridiculous demand is beyond me.