With all the qbs that we went through after Marino retired what are the signs that you guys look for in a qb that makes you beleive that paticular qb will be a bust ? i Mean John Beck was thrown into the fire and faild instantly so if we had workedhim into the line up slowly would he have had a better chance to succeed ? Chad Henne seemed to have had the ability to be a good qb but damn it all to heck ,Dan Henning and Sparano really screwed him up so he didnt have a good chance to really improve. Tannyhill will be the 32 nd qb if you include the MCNowns and Thigpens and other 3rd team qbs so isnt there some things to look for in a qb that rouble you or excite you ? i'm only asking because i really want to know . I can spot a bad wr a mile away and a bad rb but i am not sure how to recognize the traits of a qb to be weary of. I mean we all know that RG3 AND Wilson are studs but guys like Brandon Weeden , Ryan Tannyhill and THE QB FROM THE Titians I'M not sure about . I would apreciate some tidbitts .
I'm no expert and it's not the end all be all, but I think TD/INT ratio is a strong indicator of QB success. The following are Dolphin QBs that have had a TD/INT ratio better than 1 since Marino retired (only including QBs who started more than 5 games): Matt Moore: 1.78 in 2011 Chad Pennington: 2.71 in 2008 Gus Frerotte: 1.38 in 2005 Jay Fiedler: 1.56 in 2002; 1.05 in 2001 It's no coincidence that these better ratios line up with the few bright spots of the last decade +. And that the best ratio of all was posted by the best QB the Dolphins have had since Dan Marino. No QB that I can remember, specifically past 2005 has ever had a TD/INT ratio less than 1 and had sustained success in the NFL. The good news is: Joe Philbin knows this. And he'll work on it with Tannehill.
I think he's asking how do you know if a QB is going to be successful in the future. TD/INT ratio is meaningless for predicting the future of a young QB. While a good TD/INT ratio can show a QB will be successful, the opposite does not hold true.
Long list, but most important ability is to step up their game when the game is on the line. The great ones are able to take the ball 80 yards with only a minute on the clock and no timeouts and make it look easy doing it. Not every game, but the majority of games. Montana, Marino, Elway, Manning, Brady, Rodgers all do it. Separates the truly great ones from the really good ones. Luck, RG3 and Wilson already are demonstrating that ability. Tannehill...last 2 minutes of half (1st and 2nd) 18 of 38, 47.4%, 251 yards, 6.61 ypa, 1 TD, 4 int, 38.3 QB rating That has to improve big time for him not to be a bust. Unfortunately, over the years I have been watching football that quality (the greater the pressure, the calmer the player, the higher the performance) seems to be more innate than something that is taught in the NFL. Luck is a great example, slightly better than Tannehill in QB rating but has led Indy to "seven" victories when Indy was behind or tied in the 4th quarter.
I do not think there is a one size fits all answer to the question. I look for progress and improvement in play over the course of a season as my indicator. I have lots of doubts about RT but he has grown from sept till now. I hope he works smart during the offseaon and we see something better from him next year. All you can do is watch and hope for the best. Around the Colts game I got nervous about him because he seemed to hit a rut but he did seem to climb out of it by the end. I'm still waiting to see him play complete games with consistency from week to week, when he does that I will relax about having a QB.
In the first sentence he's asking what are signs a QB might be a bust. While I do think TD/INT ratio for a rookie QB doesn't mean he'll be a bust, I do absolutely believe that failed improvement from one season to the next and multiple seasons of a TD/INT ratio on the wrong side of 1 is a good indication a QB is not cut out to be a starter in the NFL.
One factor in a QB being elite is how he responds in the red zone and the 2 minute/hurry up offense.Luck from Indy may not have the best stats but you can really see how he has the special "something" that makes him so good in those situations. I can only hope to see more of that with RT.
honestly, QB might be the only position where you can just tell whether or not the guy is a leader by his mannerism and general attitude on the field. Tom Brady is a fierce looking mofo out there. Chad Henne was a robot. Peyton Manning is very determined. John Beck looked scared. Brett Favre looked like he was having the time of his life. For instance, Colin Kaepernick against the seahawks. He looked rattled. It was the first time this season that the niners defense wasn't handing the game to the offense on a silver platter and he just looked like he didn't know what to do. His play in that game showed as he forced a few picks and in general couldnt get the niners offense going at all. It was the game that showed Kaepernick may not be their answer and I wouldn't be shocked if something similar happens in the playoffs. For what its worth, Tannehill looks confident in every situation so far (we haven't been in any 'big game' situations tho, so jury is still out.) hes had bad performances but they didn't destroy him. In general, tannehills confidence seems to be my favorite part about him. Just has the look in his eyes. This probably all sounds really dumb.
Oh yes, performance, not neccessarily future performance though, it is more a measure of what kind of year they had. We have not had a 2 to 1 Td ratio since Penny in 08, and prior to that you have to go back a bit. Heck, we have not had a Qb throw for 20 Td's in years.
I look at all the indicators you all have mentioned, plus completion percentage, percentage of passes longer than 20 yards completed, sacks taken and fumbles lost, but then I look at the roster and see who is playing wide receiver and tight end. Then I measure the head coach and offensive coordinator on the moron scale. Finally, I wet my finger to see which way the wind is blowing and flip a coin. Works every time.
Probably. He was put out there toward the end of a lost season behind a sieve like line who had at least one member who admittedly didn't want to even give his best effort, such as it was, blocking for him. Beck was shell shocked after that for a long while. He did later show signs of being a viable backup when he got to work with a good coach like Mike Shanahan.
I don't believe that a young QB gets ruined or "shell shocked" by being put in there too soon. This is football, not actual warfare, and these guys have been playing football their entire lives. I think Beck just wasn't that good and his opportunities came in environments that were not conducive to success (which is part of the reason the other QBs that played those seasons sucked too).
Disagree to an extent. I think confidence is a significant part of playing QB. You have to trust your own abilities. You have to trust what you see. I think getting one's *** handed to them the way Beck's was can hurt that confidence, causing decision making to be poor or slower. i think depending on a person's make up, they can have tendencies to come out that type of situation worse or better. Over confidence can kill a player, no reason to think under confidence can't too.
