RUMOR: Stephen Ross met with Scouts, Inc's Mike Giddings Jr. in last 72 hours

I don't understand why everyone is assuming Ross is looking to hire this guy for the Dolphins GM job and not just purchasing his service to get an outside opinion on the roster and draft class free agency etc ??

 

I agree I dont think anyone truely HATEs the guy.
IDK MC, seems like you're validating the "haters" opinon of Ireland by saying "well they dont hate him they just dont like the job he has done, but in turn dont give people that support Ireland any credit for their reason to support him, that they are "scared of the unknown" and dont value thier opinion. IMO both sides have valid points.
I think it's more to do that Ireland has done a mediocre job, so both sides have points, and both hardcore debaters will stick to their reasons as to why they feel the way they do..I basically wouldnt have been surprised either way if he got fired or (apparently) remains GM.
I can see why people want him fired, but on the other hand I see why people want to give him another year. What i dont see are people claiming he is GM of the year and untouchable..

The rub is when do we start to evaluate Ireland? During the Parcell years or after? If its during,,fire him,,if its after,,give him another year.

 

Personally im glad to see anything Ross does football related...Brunch with Ron Wolf golf With Mike Mayock dinner with Gil Brandt....anything he does to educate himself is good news to me.

 

I also kind of think about a comment Jimmy Johnson made one time. "Would you rather be safe and just be good, or take a chance and maybe be great?" Words to that effect anyway. My perception is the Ireland supporters for the most part do not consider him a great GM. He is basically safe and competent. Those who want him replaced are weary of the team spinning it's wheels with mediocre leadership and wants to try and do better in that regard.

 

Not taking sides here for anyone but has anyone ever given it a thought that Ireland listens to his Scouts and then makes decisions. Maybe, just maybe Ross sees that evidently someone is getting the wrong information or misinformation for too many players and is looking for another avenue to judge talent ?

There is no way Jeff Ireland or any other GM can scout everyone that is available to be drafted. Sooner or later he and all GMs have to use the info put on their desk by their scouting dept. New England uses this firm also and has for a sometime now. Amazing how they seem to find gold nuggets in the draft that other teams pass on. I applaud Ross. If something is not right then find out what is being used by the successful teams out there and look into it.

Rams may have had the same Record but they beat SF, tied them once, Beat Arizona twice and Beat seattle once and took them to the wire the second time. If their kicker had a good day ? no, even a decent day ? yeah, they would have beaten us also. Rams found some good draft picks this year under Fisher and believe me, I do not like Fisher in the least little bit.

 

I really think it's weird how you're flipping out over this, to the point where you've even denigrated Twitter as a source of breaking news.

By the way, teams' disclosing injury news constituting a potential HIPAA violation is far more likely than your point A. And that has about a 0% chance.

There is no actual Ireland hate. It's just an ad hominem attack.

 

How have I denigrated Twitter as a source?

The NFL certainly has an issue in that regard. My point is that the NFL doesn't want guys like Payne associating with their employees.

 

Intersting, If true that Giddings has been providing information to Ireland then by Ross's actions does he feel that Ireland hasnt been following Giddings advise? hmm

 

IF there is a hiring and a firing,when would it be announced?

 

Your post #40: "If he truly was getting inside information, he surely would not be posting it on Twitter."

Twitter is the ideal place to post inside information. It has a huge audience that can be reached extremely quickly through retweeting, and the medium itself forces the user to be direct and brief with his words. The act of retweeting also helps ensure that even deleted tweets will still live on, making it in some ways more reliable of an archive than Google Cache, if you know what you're looking for.

So, yeah. Whether you intended it or not, you not only are shooting the messenger, but you're trying to claim he was carrying counterfeit paper.

Payne isn't associating with their employees, and you overstate the NFL's anti-gambling stance, which is really tough to do.

 

There's virtually no chance whatsoever this is true. There's so many things wrong with this it isn't funny.

 

Except I was using it in the context of inside information for gambling purposes. I'm not sure how many professional gamblers want their inside information retweeted. It would be logical to assume any professional gambler getting inside information would want to keep a low-profile.

Who is giving him this information then? It is either someone from the Dolphins or someone that consults for the Dolphins.

 

Well that settles it folks. Shut the thread down now.

 

Perhaps he was hired to give a report on Ireland's moves and the report may not have been positive.

 

I guess I would be considered an Ireland "supporter" mostly because I feared we might get "King Carl" instead...but there is something exciting about an Outside of the Box hire...especially one like this with someone that has some fairly interesting credentials.

 

Go ahead and name one then.

 

Lol how the Ireland supporters are so bent out of shape by a rumor.

 

Yeah. So much so that some of them claim that hiring this guy would contitute a criminal act. Funny stuff.

 

getting way ahead of it but this hire would be Extremely complicated wouldn't it ?? with him being on the payroll or multiple NFL teams...he would have to figure out a way to cut ties legally and probably reimburse a LOT of money etc ?

 

"Swidgen!"

Mr. Wu.

 

I have to ask. What crime would that be?

 

He's not qualified to be a GM

Ross hiring him would be clearly seen as a "What the **** is going on in Miami" move, which he has clearly been burned on before

Regardless of your feelings on Ireland, firing him right now would be seen as ****ty and unprofessional.

 

Shameless..

 

Ireland getting fired is overdue. How would it be seen as unprofessional?

 

This. Whether Ross is interested in replacing Ireland or just seeking outside opinions on the job Ireland has done is very comforting to me. It helps eliminate the notion in my head that Ireland is just "Worm Tonguing" Ross with evil sorcery.

 

If not right after the season, when would be the un****ty and professional time to fire a GM?

 

That's what I thought. He makes bank. I would say without a doubt he makes more than Ireland right now. It would be hard to convince a guy to take over as GM and make less money and deal with all the external stuff. He has it cozy now; watching film at home, making bank, with very little outside pressure on him and his work.

 

It would almost certainly have involved misleading Ireland about the safety of his job. Both this season and last.

Ireland did not stockpile draft picks and cap space for 2013 with the idea 2012 was a last chance to save his job. He would have had to have assurances he would be around to use them. Nor would you let him draft a rookie quarterback high in the first.There's also a general practice that a General Manager gets a second head coach's tenure before he is fired.

 

Sounds like Ross is gathering opinions on his roster via third party sources. I don't believe he's thinking about replacing Ireland with Giddings.

 

Pro Scout was founded by Mike Giddings Sr. years ago. The Dolphins were a client of theirs in the past. Looks like Jr. is running the family business now. If it's true that he Pro Scout deals with a dozen NFL teams, he wouldn't close such a lucrative business to take over one team's personnel department. He'd more likely offer like you said an outside opinion on the Dolphins' roster and its management. So they would still be "discussing the GM position" as in how Giddings Jr. feels it is being run.

 

I think by far and away the most likely reason why a meeting would occur is for the Dolphins to hire Gidding's company along with general networking.

 

The truth is this, if Ireland and the scouting department knock it out of the ball park? All will be forgiven and he be the next Joe Thomas! [GM of the early Dolphins]

 

Valid reasons on your part. I don't think he will get fired.... That will happen next offseason.

 

Other than owner there is no safe for any job in the NFL. Ask Marty Shottenheimer how he felt after posting a 14-2 record and getting **** canned in the offseason in San Diego (German for whales vagina).

There are no assurances in the NFL. Just look at Jerry Jones and the host of other owners, GM's and coaches who have talked out of the other side of their mouths.