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Guess Who's Sticking Around?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by slickj101, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Why build an entire offense in one off-season, when you can destroy one, and set it back 2 seasons.
     
  2. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    somebody quote all of slicks posts in this thread. they are glorious.
     
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  3. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    It's not just fumble recoveries, as you pointed out. Like I said, this is the second year in a row they've been downright HORRIBLE at recovering fumbles and creating turnovers. So yeah, at some point, you have to think it's more than a coincidence.
     
  4. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Of course, same as any other thread.
     
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  5. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    they're mostly pictures.
     
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  6. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Miami was 12th in the NFL in forced fumbles this year. Their issue wasn't creating them, it was recovering them.
     
  7. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    There you go. Minus the pictures.
    Next time do the work yourself.:tongue2:
     
  8. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    well, first of all, you have to be careful when using advanced stats to compare offenses.

    NFL offense is about scoring points. and the two best advanced stats for that are: Points per play. (Indy averages almost a third of a point more per play) and TD's per game. Indy averages half a TD more per game, along with an extra red zone trip per game than Miami.

    If you really dig into the advanced stats, the two offenses are not even close.

    They are close however as far as "beginning drives". Not in finishing them.
     
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  9. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    His defenders don't get that.......but as many of us already know, they are clueless
     
  10. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Of course, someone will have to quote my post for slick.......pretty sure I'm one of the Chosen 55.
     
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  11. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Don't bother, they don't get it and never will.
     
  12. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    It's really interesting to look through those advanced stats for offense, and it spells clearly what the problem is: Passing in the red zone and extending for a third 1st down in a drive.
     
  13. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Either way, 35 turnovers in 2 years is beyond bad. If that's not an indictment of talent, I'm not sure what is.
     
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  14. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    ROFL.....a Rasputin reference on this board.....I never in my wildest dreams thought I'd see that.
     
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  15. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    I am not an Ireland fan, but I have hope. And the reason is Joe Philbin.

    I trust Joe's ability to assess players who fit his system far more than I ever trusted Sparano.

    This offseason, there is a chance that Jeff Ireland, who has only ever known the Parcells way of approaching football and roster building, will be exposed to an entirely new mentoring influence in Joe Philbin.

    Yes, Ireland is Joes boss, but it seems Ireland really respects Philbin and Philbin has a deft touch with Ireland. Watch the HBO discussion they had over releasing Gates. Philbin teaches Ireland what he doesn't want in a receiver. Ireland resists. Philbin gently sways him. Gates is cut.

    I see this offseason as "The Education Of Jeff Ireland"

    Philbin and Ireland will surely sit down and review every roster player. Jeff will learn a non-Parcellian viewpoint on what constitutes a good football player for this coach and what does not. At every position.

    I think how well these two get along will mean Jeff understanding the right players to draft in a way he didn't grasp with Sparano, since Sparano himself had shortcomings.

    I have faith in Joe Philbin and his evaluations. Jeff is a young GM. There is still hope his views on player evaluation will evolve. I think that happens this offseason and we will be pleasantly surprised by the players he brings in next year.

    Seriously.
     
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  16. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    We have all 4 this year, we make the playoffs, even with THill's inconsistancy.
     
  17. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    The best stat for NFL offenses is YPA. TDs per game is not, it can be extremely misleading.
     
  18. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    C'mon guys. Give Irish a break. In 6 seasons, you can't expect him to fix things in 1 season.
     
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  19. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Wait so you mean Philbin's offense looks different to you than something a BP wart would put together?

    Reeeeeally?
     
  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    At the end of the 1969 season, the team had more talent on the roster than the current team does.
     
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  21. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Sounds great in theory, but how much input did Philbin have on this last draft? Did he sign off on Egnew? Did he have input on passing on potential WR's in the middle rounds?
     
  22. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    [video=youtube;zjedLeVGcfE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjedLeVGcfE[/video]
     
  23. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    You mean YPP.

    and I disagree with that.
     
  24. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sec, how much bad karma have you accumulated to deserve that?
     
  25. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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  26. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Egnew was a colossal bust. To not make the field this year, consideration that we took injuries to the position on and off all year, is an indictment.
     
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  27. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    offenses run the ball as well. SO I disagree with that. I do agree that YPA is a great metric to evaluate QB play.
     
  28. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Bill Parcells, Randy Mueller, Nick Saban, Rick Spielman, Dave Wannstedt... :shifty:
     
  29. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Sure he did, he got the donuts and coffee for the Tuna every morning.
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The Colts and Redskins did.
     
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  31. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    But have you ever watched those guys actually draft their players or did you just read about what someone else thought of them :shifty:
     
  32. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    none. You would have to be crazy to not want to be Jeff Ireland. The guy is golden.
     
  33. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    The difference is, they had no common language to really have a feel for each other's view of players.

    For example, if you and a guy from another message board tried to get the right players for you you would have a lower chance than if you and Ck collaborated. Why? Because you and CK have shared opinions on the same Dolphins players and understand each others viewpoints and preferences at the positions in a way that only happens from both communicating over a common list of players you BOTH know well.

    When Philbin arrived last year he was not as familiar with Jeff's players. Now they can have a very productive discussion about how Jeff sees Jared Odrick versus how Philbin sees Jared Odrick. How Philbin sees Sean Smith versus how Ireland sees Sean Smith. How Philbin sees Richie Incognito versus how Ireland sees Richie Incognito.

    In some ways they will agree, and in others they will differ. Where they differ Ireland will learn what his coach wants and needs. Then it is up to Jeff to adopt that way of evaluating a player and select players through Philbin's filter.

    It is "The Re-Education of Jeff Ireland"
     
  34. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Wayne's a huge part of Luck's success so I wouldn't say that w Indy. WAS did it while giving up how many of this year's picks?

    I don't piss my pants bc 1 team out of 32 was able to pull something off that's very rare.
     
  35. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    :lol: Dolphins: 18 points a game. 311 total yards a game. 198 passing yards per game.
    Colts: 22 points per game. 362 yards per game. 258 passing yards per game.
     
  36. hazed819

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    I can't believe this guy gets yet another season to redeem himself. The he has failed to hit on a player yet... well aside from Cameron Wake. Bess and Hartline are the best this guy has to show for offense and I love those guys but they aren't game changers. I garantee the Tannehill pick was highly influenced by Sherman/Philbin otherwise he would of likely picked up another Oline player. He failed to deliver on the RG3 trade, he failed to deliver Peyton Manning, the guy just hasnt shown anything. We have been riding the line of mediocrity since he's been here. Its time for a change, I rather it happen sooner than later so we can build on Tannehill as the kid shows some promise.
     
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  37. hazed819

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    Those comparing the Colts to Dolphins... its as simple as this.

    They got a game next week, we dont.
     
  38. Perfectville_USA

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    My only question is who the unlucky pro prospect this year. Who gets to be asked if his sweet Mother is a dirty filthy little whore?
     
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  39. oakelmpine

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    and remember folks, that is half of the Marshall trade.....

    Jeffy took two # 2's and has turned it into two years of Marshall, Egnew and and a 3rd round draft pick. I wonder who was on the board when we would have used those two 2nd rounders. Anyone want to take up that challenge ?
     
  40. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    There's one particular reason why we have to restock talent. The talent acquired since 2008 hasn't panned out. That very same talent Jeff Ireland had at the very least a complicit role in acquiring.
     
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