Franchise Jake Long and trade him to the Bears for 2 first rounders

If we lose Long as a FA b/c he signs a bigger contract than we would be willing to offer and then he stays healthy for the new team, we'd probably net a 3rd round compensatory pick. That is more realistic than trading him for one much less two 1st rounders.

 

At some point, we need a GM to stock the shelves with talent faster than we lose it.

Cup floweth over rather than bare larder, you know?

 

(The reason I bring this up is letting a 1st overall pick go with nothing to show for ithurts more when you do not have any talent behind him, despite it being four to five years later. We haven't been developing players.)

To be fair, that's also on the coaching staff to develop the talent.

I'm not convinced Ireland got to choose Sparano at allm and Sparano's staff did not seem to develop it's players very well.

Part of the larder being bare right now is a result of that.

 

Were not getting anywhere close to that. We would be lucky to get a late first at this point.

But we can't just let him go for nothing. That would be a disaster.

 

If we tag Long dont get upset if signings are slow at the start of FA. You may be costing yourself a chance at Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings and having to settle for a 2nd tier WR. Just saying, theres a cost to every thing you do. It would be nice to walk away with a 2 and a 4 from someone for Long but getting that while getting someone to take him on at the franchise tender rate of 15.36M is going to be tough. Forget 2 1st's since thats just a pipe dream, get me a 2 and a 4 and I'll be impressed by JI's work.

 

Are you all really all that confident that Martin can play the postion week in and week out consistently?

 

After this ****ing game I think we should start negotiating immediately.

 

Can he be any worse than the LT in GB, NO, Detroit, Pitt, Balt? The LT's in Houston, Indy, Seattle and Washington arent on Longs level....how is that affecting their passing game? Weapons. We need them more. And I happen to think Martin will be at least as good as Duane Brown.

 

The LT of Seattle went to the pro bowl and was the 6th pick of the draft.

 

What's wrong with just signing Jake to a reasonable deal?

 

Why not just leave Martin at his natural position, put a strength coach on him, then draft a real right tackle, meaning one who has played in college at that position, and put the cap space that Long costs into a free agent WR or TE?

 

Message to anyone who doesn't think we can get a first for Jake. All it takes is one team to look past his injuries and are starved at LT. A first rounder shouldn't be a problem. It is the compensation beyond that where things get tricky. A first though....we would have at least 3 teams line up starting with OL starved Bears fans who smell blood in the water and are already begging for Long.

 

After watching him get manhandled yesterday, nope. Not confident at all. Id be considering our options with re-signing Jake at this point. Hell, Martin was only performing slightly better than Columbo according to some informative posts by ck (I think) around here a few weeks back.

 

a 3rd and our prize in last years draft, Egnew

Just realize that for those that are so gung ho to keep Ireland, he has already wasted ½ of the getback for Marshall, in Michael Egnew in last years draft.

 

It's basically that or nothing. You very rarely have a chance to do what Ireland did.

It was basically Vincent Jackson or nothing, and there are quite reasonable arguments for avoiding him.

You're ignoring the part where he didn't have much of a choice. Brandon Marshall was not going to stay on the team long-term through whatever means, and it was unlikely his value would have gotten higher if Ireland waited.

 

That is pretty much an inherent factor of trading established players for draft picks. You're going to have a roughly 30% success rate on picks.

 

And the excuses continue.....meanwhile the new GM at Indy is way ahead of that curve.

 

Please then enlighten me, what is the average success rates for draft picks in whatever context you'd feel appropriate to provide?

 

If Martin turns into half the player Brown is we should be happy. He's one of the best in the league right now. Seattle and Washington just spent really high picks on their LT's as well.

 

Jury is out on Martin, I personaly think the kid got a ton of natural talent. He needs to build up his strength, but he got long arms and quick feet. We need our OL coach to step up his game and turn this kid into a good left tackle prospect. As far as Jake Long, he does not fit our current OL scheme and he just can not stay healthy. We can not spend 12-15M on a guy, who is always injured and on the sidelines.

 

Not only would we not get 2 1st rounders, I highly doubt we could get one.

 

With the money he commands and the fact that he's struggled to play a full season for the past 3 years, we'd be lucky to get a 2nd round pick IMO.

 

The more I think about it, the more I believe we may be able to get him at about a 6 year 45-50 million dollar contract. Or even 5 year 40-45 million

I truly believe there won't be a big market for him. He'll realize this, take his 65 million from his rookie contract and couple it with his ensuing 50 million dollar contract and be happy.

 

With the way Martin played yesterday Miami may have no choice but to pay the man.

 

I'm not surprised in the least that Martin would look good against Jacksonville and Buffalo, and be completely destroyed by the Pats.

 

I can honestly say in all my ilfe watching football I have never seen a lineman get tossed around like a rag doll as much as Jon Martin has all year.At this moment he is not very good.I think John Jerry is a better tackle.

 

My only hope is that deej is right and he just needs a year of strength training. I suppose when you've done a worse job than Colombo there's nowhere to go but up.

 

Why would that be? The Patriots basically have Chandler Jones, who is good for a rookie.

 

What evidence do you have of this?

 

I think its just more then needing a year of strength training.Hes probably been lifting weights his whole life how much stronger do you think he can get. Didnt Daniel Thomas add a few pounds of muscle this year what good did that do him?

 

Which part? Marshall's agent basically admitted they asked for a trade, and it was clear he wanted out and wanted to go to Chicago. Stephen Ross said he would have been released if not for a trade. Do you find it implausible that if Marshall stayed longer, he would have found a way to decrease his value?

 

Agreed. With the salary he commands, his lack of durability the last 2-3 seasons and his poor performance this year, I'd be surprised if we could get a 2nd rounder out of him.

 

This part:

 

Brandon Marshall wanted out and the Dolphins wanted him out. This is very clear. Ross said he was going to be cut.

There's almost assuredly a myriad of reasons. He was acting like an ******* behind the scenes, he clearly wasn't getting full effort, it was clear that his behavioral issues would not change, Philbin wasn't going to give him the 130+ targets he needs to be effective, and he wasn't going to be happy unless he had that.

 

They fleeced us so bad that it got the coach fired...Marshall is a bum and soon the honeymoon period will be over and he'll start with the antics again and be back to the bum we knew....

 

If Jake had a normal salary you might get a 1st for him. But at the franchise tag of 15.36M you should be doing backflips if he nets us a 2nd and another mid round pick in the 4/5 range. Thats an insane salary for any non qb.

Okung was excellent. Thats my fault. But I could just as easily throw atl in the mix. The point wasnt to prove LT isnt important at all just not the requirement that some make it out to be. For every playoff team like Denver or Seattle that have good LT's you can find 2 teams that dont. The last 2 SB's champs had some of the worst tackle play Ive seen in recent in recent years from the NYG and GB.

Brown is a good player now. As a rookie he got abused as badly as Martin did.

 

He may still not be good enough, even after an offseason in a conditioning program (not to mention, he still has to actually put the work in). He can and should get stronger though, and that will only help him. Whether or not it's enough remains to be seen. I still wouldn't let Long walk just because of Martin.

 

I might have considered letting Jake go for some sort of compensation until watching Martin get manhandled yesterday. Martin at this point is far better at right tackle than left.

Jake has had nagging injury after nagging injury ever since Sparano got his knee banged up trying to prove a point in that preseason game against Dallas. Somehow he needs to get completely healthy, I'd hate to see him end up like Tony Boselli. Jake will command big money for sure, but not as big as he would have gotten if he was completely healthy. We should resign him if at all possible and then get him to someone who can really get him healthy, cause it does not seem the Dolphins staff has been able too.

 

None of them worked together before, what your suggesting is purely speculative