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Merged: Now that we have Parcells as VP, Id like know...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by FinSane, Dec 20, 2007.

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  1. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    1) How is his relationship going to be with Huzeinga? Of course, Wayne has always been just an owner and not meddling in football operations(from what we've been told). But considering this year's turmoil and questions lingering about the team's future and profitability, you'd expect Wayne to adopt a win now attitude and maybe press Parcells and company to deliver results. The pressure is on everyone from here on out. If the Dolphins don't deliver results to Wayne's liking, what will happen then?

    2) Which leads us to wonder how long Parcells' tenure will be. It's no secret he doesn't stick for long(unlike guys like Cowher, Fisher and Shula), but that's as head coach. He may plan on being here 5-10 years as VP. Or maybe just 2 or 3. You never know. Plus, what he says he indends to do doesn't always plan out(many thought he would stick with the Jets for awhile).

    3) What will his role be? Every franchise has a different role for those who are given titles like "Vice President of Football Operations". Wasn't that the title Danny was going to be given in 2004? Apparently, Dan didn't know what his role was prior to taking the job nor when he abruptly quit. But I doubt this is going to be the same thing. I dont believe Parcells was brought in to be a figurehead, rather, he should be here to establish credibility and begin the hunt to get good, quality players and coaches here to Miami, but how and in what way?

    4) So then, what role will Mueller play in this? As the Dolphins current GM, you have to be wondering what he's thinking right now. "Is this it for me?" "If they want me to stay, what is it going to be like working with Parcells?" "If I do something he doesn't approve of, am I going to get chew out and tossed out?" What if they get rid of Mueller? Some of you may get what you want.

    5) Then of course, there's the question of whether or not Cam will remain as HC. This I think is probably the beginning of the real evaluation of the team. Bill is probably going to come in and evaluate Cam and see what the players think of him, what the coaches think, and then probably determine if he's worth retaining. Then there's going to be the question of, if he stays, will be remain as HC or somehow demoted to Offensive Coordinator?

    6) What to do with Ricky? If Parcells became coach, its almost guaranteed he would likely cut Ricky. I dont think Parcells would have the patience for him. Then again, he's not the coach and we really dont know what he would do. But Ricky is time and time again somehow involved with this team year in and year out, and this coming season, will be the turning point in this seemingly never ending saga.

    7) The draft? What role will Parcells play and which of the top 4 will he like? Glenn Dorsey? Jake Long? Chris Long? Darren McFadden? Is John Beck the future, or will Parcells insist on taking a QB sometime in the draft? Or will he engineer with Mueller or whoever for a trade down, maybe with his old team, Dallas....?

    8) The veterans. What does JT and Zack think of this move? Will this be motivation for them to stay? Or will Parcells decide its time to part ways with them and rebuild completely.

    9) The coaches. Beyond Cam, will Parcells also bring in coaches he's familiar with or bring in coaches he thinks have potential? And will he finally be the guy to fire Keith Armstrong?

    10) Also, what would his relationship be with Bellicheat now that he's down here? We saw how Mangini leaving for the Jets strained their relationship, will the same thing happen here?
     
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  2. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    1. Huizenga and Parcells have been on friendly terms. They played golf together. There's obviously some level of a relationship there, because Parcells came to Miami over Atlanta.

    2. 4 year contract.

    3. He hires/fires the head coach and GM and is their direct boss. He's basically a football operations version of Bryan Wiedmeier.

    4. Mueller is still the GM. Whether or not he'll be the GM by next season is unknown. Parcells will not take over the responsibilities of player evaluation and acquisition. That is still the job of the GM. Rumors are that Parcells is inclined to deal more with the personnel side than the coaching side, meaning Mueller may get the axe after the draft in order to bring in someone like Jeff Ireland.

    5. Early indications are that Parcells likes Cameron and is inclined to retain him.

    6. Ricky's status is not directly up to Parcells. If he had to make the decision, I'm sure he'd let the guy stay and see what he has left.

    7. If Parcells assumes the role of having final say on personnel, then he will have the final say on drafting players scouted by Randy Mueller.

    8. Vonnie Holliday loves the move.

    9. Unknown. Indications are that he wanted to bring Maurice Carthon and/or Todd Haley to Atlanta, but that may be due to the huge gaping hole in the coaching staff there.

    10. Competitive to say the least. Parcells stuck it out in Dallas for four years likely because he wanted to prove he could win a Super Bowl without Belichick on his staff. Now he's the director of football operations for the team best described as Belichick's bane. Also worth noting: Scott Pioli is Parcells' son-in-law.
     
  3. Brown42000

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    L.J. Shelton also loves the move.
     
  4. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Thanks, and I have one more question. What will his relationship be with alumni like Marino and Shula?
     
  5. Desides

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    No clue there. I'm sure both will like the move simply because it puts a football mind in charge of the football operations. IMO, Shula will probably be privately annoyed that Huizenga passed over Marty Schottenheimer a second time.
     
  6. Brown42000

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    I saw someone write that John Clayton said Miami could possibly go after Schottenheimer for the HC position because Huizenga wants a quick turnaround.
     
  7. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Scottenheimer and Cam reunited possibly? Parcells and Schottenheimer? 2 out of 3 aint bad.
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Not likely, Marty S is a Head Coach, Cam is a Head Coach, the twain cannot meet, Cam would have to be fired and Marty S hired, there are no demotions like that in the NFL.
     
  9. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I highly doubt Schottenheimer will take the position that Cameron would have to be fired from. There IS such a thing as respect.
     
  10. Milkmoney21

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    Hey does anyone know if you can fire someone say cam and then hire him to a different job like oc or is that illegal too.
     
  11. Desides

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    Not with the same team. A head coach cannot be demoted to a lower position. You can demote coordinators to lower positions, but not head coaches. (Firing the head coach and then re-hiring him as a coordinator counts as a demotion and is against NFL rules.)

    Cameron is either the head coach or is gone. It's one or the other.
     
  12. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Cant Cameron voluntarily step down or something like that?
     
  13. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Desides is correct, but the 49ers were once known to have all sorts of consultants...

    Seriously though, Marty S is a HC, or he is not coming here, there will be the usual number of job openings so common sense would say he will go to be a HC somewhere.
     
  14. psingh01

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    Why would Marty do that? Would he willingly take Cam's job? I assume they are at least friendly...:confused2:
     
  15. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    No. That would amount to accepting a demotion.

    Why would he voluntarily become the offensive coordinator of a team he's currently head coaching? It makes no sense whatsoever. That would be a complete embarrassment for him.

    Right now, it looks like Cameron will be the head coach next year.
     
  16. finfansince72

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    I doubt seriously Parcells keeps Cameron. Parcells is going to want to start over and that means new coach, new GM new players.
     
  17. the big tuna

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    now that we have parcells

    how does this effect our draft. hes a 3-4 guy so if we stay at number 1 do we go chris long? or is mcfadenn to much to pass up
     
  18. big0mar

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    forget mcfadden- we had the best running back in the AFC this year until he blew out his knee. no need to upgrade your strongest position
     
  19. Desides

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    McFadden is a possibility only if we trade Ronnie Brown. And that's somewhat unlikely a prospect.

    Chris Long is probably going to be the pick, but Glenn Dorsey and Vernon Gholston are still in the mix. Ryan Clady had a shot, but there's no way we take him now.
     
  20. the big tuna

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    i agree. but like you just said before he blew out his knee the reality is we dont know how long its going to take for ronnie to come back.
     
  21. the big tuna

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    personally i think we should trade down a couple spots and take jake long. if hes the type of tackle like joe thomas our line could be great for years. but i really like the idea of having a great d end. with brady being in out=r division we need a pass rush
     
  22. Desides

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    We're not taking an offensive tackle, certainly not Jake Long. Ryan Clady is better, and with Parcells running the show now, we're not going offensive line at #1 overall.
     
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    your probably rite he is defense minded i just hope its not dorsey he dosent fit a 3-4 and injurys could be a concern with him
     
  24. Desides

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    Dorsey absolutely fits a 3-4. He can play end servicably, can play the nose, and can play any number of gap positions. LSU uses him all over the line.

    I don't understand why people who think someone who played the season hurt and won the award for best defensive player in the country--and believe me, he had some major competition this year--is an injury risk. The guy got blatantly cut-blocked against Auburn and came back in the same game like nothing happened. The word for Dorsey is durability, not injury.
     
  25. Samphin

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    Parcells seems to like linemen early. I also think he is going to want a defensive player or two, so look for him to go there.

    I really think this move may end up saving Cam's job even moreso. At least in the short term. Bill, I think, really wants to test his evaluation skills and I think he is pretty much going to get players he likes and see if Cam can make do with it.

    IF we stay in the number one spot, I wouldn't lok for the sexy skilled position player to be picked. Look for a linemen on the defensive side of the ball most likely.
     
  26. padre31

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    Hmm, I seem to recall someone being completely against Dorsey moving to end....which is fine, someone else thought Claddy could be our guy...:unsure:

    And we all may be getting ahead of ourselves in the excitement, Parcells hasn't even signed as of yet, Dom is still the DC, and Cam is still 1-13 and we have Lemon at QB.

    INOW, it is bad to project with so little in the way of facts.
     
  27. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I don't want Dorsey playing the end. That doesn't mean he CAN'T. LSU puts him there more often than you'd think. I just would rather put him front and center in the NFL. It's his natural spot.

    Can't really blame us. We're excited.
     
  28. Sam

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    The first thing we have to be able to do is stop the run, so I think it'll be Dorsey. And so far as whether he can play NT...

    "Cowboys signed NT Jay Ratliff to a five-year, $20.5 million contract extension through 2012. The deal includes an $8 million signing bonus. At 6-4/298, Ratliff isn't the ideal nose for a 3-4 scheme, but his technique and penetration skills make him a fit in coach Wade Phillips' aggressive version..."
     
  29. big0mar

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    im a little suspect on dorsey fitting a 3-4

    he may be able to play a one-gap NT, but i really do not think he would be good at all as a two-gap NT.

    in terms of him playing DE in a 3-4, he is a little short. he could probably handle it however.

    but with him playing either of those positions, either a one-gap NT or a DE, i do not think he will be of such value to be the #1 pick. Dorsey is a #1 at UT, not the positions listed above.

    When you think of dorsey, think of warren sapp. and remember how sapp did in the 3-4?
     
  30. FinSane

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    I think it would be better if we took Chris Long first and try to snag Kentwan Balmer, who I think is better suited for the 3-4 and could be better than Dorsey.
     

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