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Tavon austin

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by pumpdogs, Dec 25, 2012.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Whats does everybody think of tavon austin has a late first round or early 2nd round prospect?He reminds me of a smaller version of percy harvin incredible feet,amazing quickness ands really good speed.I could see him replacing bess in the slot and be are big play wr.My biggest concern is his size but he is not a ted ginn with just straight line speed he can stop on a dime and make amazing cuts.
     
  2. RalphX19X

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    I'd draft both Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey and I'd be ecstatic.
     
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  3. dolfan32323

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    He has been a beast receiving and absolutely embarrassed Oklahoma (I believe) running the ball as well. He definitely looks like he will be a player in the NFL by my totally unqualified analysis.
     
  4. Bpk

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    He's a luxury, we need bread and butter offense players. Dexter McCluster with better receiving skills.

    We need a WR we can use *like* a WR. Stedman Bailey please.
     
  5. PhinishLine

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    Isn't Dexter Mccluster slow though? I thought TA ran something like a 4.3 which is a bit different than a Dexter McCluster. However, I would agree with you that it is a luxury....if he's to be used like a Dexter McCluster. However if the plan is to use him like a Percy Harvin, I don't think he'd be a luxury. That's pretty essential shopping right there if you ask me.
     
  6. Bpk

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    I think Harvin is better in traditional
    passing routes than TA. I also thought Harvin was more physical coming out.

    Don't get me wrong, TA is amazing but I feel like you have to design how to get him the ball outside of base offense calls for him to make his full impact.

    If we already had great starting WRs I'd take him in a heartbeat. Also, he's basically going to work out of the slot, where Bess gives us production. The improvement from Bess to TA in slit production will not be as much as the difference between Bess and Bailey or Moore and Bailey as the outside number two receiver. Jennings, Bailey, Hartline, Bess, Matthews is a very good corps to run this offense.

    Of course, we may get neither Jennings nor Bailey.
     
  7. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I would love to either trade back a few spots and draft Eifert,and then move up to get austin.
    This is of course (which I doubt will happen)if we sign jennings or wallace in free agency.If not I would like to go after justin hunter.
     
  8. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    I agree with this. Austin is a niche player, IMO. I'm not certain that he can make the transition to being a traditional receiver the way Percy Harvin has. You will have to find creative ways of getting him the ball in space to get the maximum effect from him. What scares me about that is that a team like New England could take him and max his ability. In Miami, I'm not convinced we can do that. Miami has to be looking more at Keenan Allen and Terrance Williams, IMO.
     
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  9. rafael

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    I'm torn here. IMO Austin is a great player, but great in a niche. There's value in that, but the question is how much is that worth? I expect that Miami will pursue and hopefully land one of the main three FA WRs (Jennings, Bowe or Wallace). I also expect that Hartline will be resigned. I could see Austin or another fav of mine, Bailey fitting in nicely with that addition and what we already have. Bailey isn't as explosive as Austin, but he is probably a better all-around WR. He reminds me of Mark Clayton (the Dolphin, not the Raven/Ram), who is my favorite Dolphin WR ever. (I don't think he's the best WR they ever had, just my favorite). That may make me a bit biased towards Bailey, but I also love that we may be able to get Bailey a round or two later. In the end, I would strongly consider Austin with one of our second round picks and Bailey with our later second and third round picks. I would target one of the pressure players with our first and probably a S with our first or second 2nd.
     
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  10. Bpk

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    I think Tavon (I always mix up Tavon and Travon, the Marshall guy) has been hiding Bailey a bit in his shadow, but once the season ends, those high TD numbers will be grabbing everyone's attention as they look at their anemic 2012 offensive TD numbers and set their draft boards. My hope is that Stedman runs and performs poorly enough at the combine (and pro day) for Tavon to get all the buzz and leave Stedman unhyped.

    The truth is, though, I doubt he makes the bottom of the second. I had also initially hoped for him making it to our third round pick, but having seen the WRs out there this year, why would we take a chance on the one guy I am convicted WILL add TDs to our totals next year from the outside WR spot.. a position of need. Is it overdrafting? Not if you get production. Patrick turner was overdrafted. Stedman Bailey will not be overdrafted if you take him in the mid second round (where we will be picking).

    This is colored by my not being on the Elam bandwagon. In a perfect world, I suppose you get both. But then we must hope for a good TE in round three. Are there any who may be available there?
     
  11. Bpk

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    Also, when in doubt, avoid the niche player. Base player will have more opportunities to make impact, if they are of approximately equal talent level. Once you have all your base players at a sufficient talent level, I think you add the guys who require special circumstances to get the most of their talents.

    One more thing to consider. Would having a player like Tavon help or hinder Ryan's development by skewing the playbook towards more short screens, reverses, etc?

    This team, and Ryan, first need to learn to execute the full normal playbook at full pace. Sherman has said he pared both way back from what he had hoped to do when it became obvious the team couldn't execute it yet. I don't want wrinkles added to this offense before the offense even KNOWS the offense! lol.

    Gotta have skin before you can add wrinkles.
     
  12. KB21

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    The interesting thing is that while Tavon Austin gets accolades for the big plays he makes, Stedman Bailey actually caught about 45% of West Virginia's touchdowns on the year. Look at the Oklahoma game. Austin gains over 500 yards in all purpose yardage, but Bailey's 13 reception, 205 yard, 4 TD game against Oklahoma is overshadowed. Bailey averaged a ridiculous 1.9 TD a game.
     
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  13. Bpk

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    Good teams will not overlook this.

    I just hope he doesn't end up with the Pats, or if the Jets get a new GM, with the Jets.
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    While I believe Stedman is probably my top rated WR in the class, Tavon Austin's role in that Oklahoma game can't be overlooked. That was the game they unveiled the plan to have him playing true tailback and actually take carries. Oklahoma played it poorly. The success of it helped Stedman have the day he had. Although if they didn't respect Stedman so much on the outside they may have played Austin at RB a little different.
     
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  15. Boomer

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    The sure answer to this conundrum is to draft both.
     
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  16. ckparrothead

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    Given this debate I still can't help but wonder how valid the "Geno Smith #1 overall" talk really is. More so than other years, it just seems like pegging the position to the pick.
     
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  17. Desides

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    That's more or less what's happening, IMO.

    I can't see him going first overall, even though the Chiefs do need a QB.
     
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  18. ckparrothead

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    I wonder if the Seahawks will look at jettisoning Matt Flynn's contract now that Russell Wilson has been everything they could've hoped and then some. The Chiefs could look at him as an option.
     
  19. Boomer

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    Just thinking the same thing. I suppose a lot depends on the new coaching staff and GM. Not that I can see Chip Kelly in KC but it all depends on who's calling the shots. For me, Mike Zimmer. Chiefs have a fairly massive issue with the number one pick. Branden Albert is a FA but letting him go to draft Luke Joeckel seems a mistake. Its addition by subtraction. Plus they have Winston at RT so unlikely to kick Albert across. They have Hali and Houston at OLB and whilst you can never get enough pass rushers, you have to be looking at that pick and weeping. Star Lotulelei is a possibility. But they drafted Dontari Poe a year ago. Horrible situation.
     
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  20. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I do agree with you on letting Branden Albert walk and drafting Luke Joeckel to replace him, but for a different reason. The Chiefs have been working with Donald Stephenson at left tackle for five games now. He's played no worse than Jon Martin has. Stephenson was bad in this last game against Dwight Freeney but then that's Dwight Freeney, and Martin was also atrocious against Aldon Smith. The two have generally been mediocre in other games. I think if the Chiefs are letting Branden Albert walk it wouldn't be to turn around and take Luke Joeckel. I think it would be like the Dolphins allowing Jake Long to walk...they do it because they already have the replacement on roster.

    I could see them still going after Star Lotulelei even with Dontari Poe, though. A new GM is likely to view the moves of the last GM very skeptically (i.e. "I'm here for a reason"). Tyson Jackson is probably the lowest hanging fruit as far as a defensive lineman that the Chiefs drafted that has really not been good on the balance of his career there. Arguably he had a good year last year but in every other year, not really very good. If Star Lotulelei is the Haloti Ngata type player he's purported to be then his position doesn't really conflict with Dontari Poe's so much, as Dontari is a straight nose for that defense. When Glenn Dorsey gets healthy he could resume his spot at Right End while a Star Lotulelei takes Tyson Jackson's spot at Left End and Dontari Poe plays the nose.

    But then also given the presence of Tamba Hali and Justin Houston, they could consider moving Hali into a down position and using Houston like the Broncos use Von Miller. Derrick Johnson would certainly fit into Wesley Woodyard's role. They could then justify pairing Lotulelei and Poe in the middle while moving Glenn Dorsey out to the outside to play a spot similar to Derek Wolfe.

    You're not going to like it but they should just draft Matt Barkley, IMO.
     
  21. Boomer

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    Top of the second round would be perfect for Barkley and KC.
     
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  22. Bpk

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    Actually, This makes me think about how parts of a system work together and how effective they are when split apart.

    Specifically I mean Geno Smith and Stedman Bailey. It should not be overlooked that Geno has been Stedman's QB since high school.

    Part of the production you see in Saturdays from Stedman Bailey is the result of many years of chemistry and familiarity.

    How does Bailey look with a different QB? A new QB? How long does it take him to click the same way?

    Honestly, it's a very minor concern and I still am more impressed by Bailey than any WR I've watched from this class this far.

    But, eyes wide open, I don't draft Stedman Bailey until I get him and Tannehill on a practice field together to throw and catch.
     
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  23. Bpk

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    All of this depends on the vision the new staff has for the defense. We need to know that before we can guess which parts fit.
     
  24. Bpk

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    In fact, whoever takes Geno Smith in the first has a good chance of targeting Bailey in the 2nd IMO.
     
  25. Desides

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    If they hate Geno Smith and Matt Barkley, then the Chiefs should just trade down at a discount. The #1 pick is very valuable in a vaccum, but they should be willing to accept less than face value to get out of the spot. SOMEONE will want that pick. Jacksonville? Oakland?
     
  26. ckparrothead

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    I don't think so. Teams don't tend to engage in that sort of behavior. If you're taking a guy it's because you believe in that guy. You don't feel you need to give him all the same people he worked with in college to keep him successful. You just need to surround him with talent.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    Who is trading up for the pick, and for which player? I think that's important because supposedly Saban would've loved to trade down from #2 overall but received zero phone calls.
     
  28. Boomer

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    Absolutely agree Chris. And it's not like there are a lot of options for people to trade up FOR. The great trade down is the yearly draft myth.
     
  29. padre31

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    Not the early to mid 1's this year, the value is really in late rd 1 and early rd 2.
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    This strikes me a lot like that 2005 Draft too, which was widely considered a poor draft. The two QBs at the top of the Draft that year Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers were generally viewed to be not worth their billing, as were a lot of the top players. Of course, Aaron Rodgers ended up Aaron Rodgers despite what all the nay sayers were saying.

    Could be pretty difficult for the Chiefs and Jaguars to try and trade down. They'll likely just have to go ahead and make their picks.
     
  31. Desides

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    I understand that. I'm floating as a primary goal that the Chiefs should try to move down even if they get ripped off in the process. Not saying it's 100% realistic, just saying that should--in a vacuum--be their objective here.

    Or if you want to get really technical, they should also consider allowing their time limit to lapse and wait on a player.
     
  32. ckparrothead

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    I think the rookie wage scale means there's no real reason to allow time to elapse.
     
  33. Desides

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    Absolutely. But there's no reason to allow yourself to be forced to select a player you don't really want.

    Then again, if whoever is drafting for KC in April doesn't really care if Mel Kiper calls their pick bad value, then that person can make whatever selection they want thanks to the rookie wage scale, as you say.
     
  34. rafael

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    While I agree that players being given time to develop together is very important you still just draft the player you believe in. Then you give him time to develop with the other players you have that you also believe in.
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    Then pick the player you do want. Not sure I see the point here.

    Exactly.
     
  36. BuckeyeKing

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    I think Austin can go as high as the Vikings pick. If they are serious about dealing Harvin they need to replace him.
     
  37. BuckeyeKing

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    So been watching Austin and MY GOODNESS writing does him no justice. You have to see him play. He is Sproles/Harvin rolled together. Biggest playmaker in this draft. Please don't let Patriots get him. Tape doesn't lie about Austin. Man is he explosive.
     

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