OK here is the latest from GBN 1 Kansas City 2-12 .500 Indianapolis; @ Denver 2 Jacksonville 2-12 .540 New England; @ Tennessee 3 Oakland 4-10 .455 @ Carolina; @ San Diego 4 Philadelphia 4-10 .513 Washington; @ NY Giants 5 Detroit 4-10 .567 Atlanta; Chicago 6 San Diego 5-9 .460 @ NY Jets; Oakland 7 Buffalo 5-9 .491 @ Miami; NY Jets 8 Cleveland 5-9 .500 @ Denver; @ Pittsburgh 9 Carolina 5-9 .513 Oakland; @ New Orleans 10 Tennessee 5-9 .518 @ Green Bay; Jacksonville 11 Arizona 5-9 .563 Chicago; @ San Francisco 12 Tampa Bay 6-8 .493 St. Louis; @ Atlanta 13 Miami 6-8 .504 Buffalo; @ New England 14 NY Jets 6-8 .504 San Diego; @ Buffalo 15 New Orleans 6-8 .520 @ Dallas; Carolina 16 St. Louis 6-7-1 .540 @ Tampa Bay; @ Seattle
Yeah Miami currently at #13. Still have to see which juniors are declaring though. We've got some in that are interesting.
I know right. I think we'll beat the Bills. The Pats could also hold out their key players for last game. We win that one and you are looking at a high teen draft pick
Updated for the 1 PM games: 1 Kansas City 2-13 .500 @ Denver 2 Jacksonville 2-13 .540 @ Tennessee 3 Oakland 4-11 .455 @ San Diego 4 Philadelphia 4-11 .513 @ NY Giants 5 Detroit 4-11 .567 Chicago 6 Buffalo 5-10 .491 NY Jets 7 San Diego 6-9 .460 Oakland 8 Cleveland 5-9 .500 @ Denver; @ Pittsburgh 9 Carolina 6-9 .513 @ New Orleans 10 Tennessee 5-10 .518 Jacksonville 11 Arizona 5-9 .563 Chicago; @ San Francisco 12 Tampa Bay 6-9 .493 @ Atlanta 13 NY Jets 6-9 .504 @ Buffalo 14 Pittsburgh 7-8.469 Cleveland 15 Miami 7-8 .504 @ New England 16 New Orleans 7-8 .520 Carolina 17 St. Louis 7-7-1 .540 @ Seattle
Depending on how the SOS changes from this weekend's games this is what we're looking at after today Based on this info the lowest we could draft is 19ths if the Fins win and all four of Saints, Rams, Cowboys and Giants lose.
I think things are settling as far as the draft order goes. I've been expecting that Miami would be picking in the middle part of the first round and felt that they would level out around 14-16 in the draft. I'm a big stickler for drafting for value and not reaching for a need. Right now, the best value in the top half of the first round is either offensive or defensive linemen. Unless it is a pressure player though, Miami really doesn't need a defensive lineman. As far as the offensive line goes, the Dolphins have invested so much into that position over the past 4 years that I just can't support going that route again. Particularly considering that Jonathan Martin and Nate Garner have not played badly at all as the starting tackles over the past 3 games. So, this may turn out to be a draft that unless a pressure player is available to be drafted by Miami in the middle part of the first round, I'd put my focus on improving the team speed on the perimeter. In the secondary and yes, even at wide receiver. I'm a big anti first round wide receiver guy, but at this pick and with the need, Miami may actually have their choice of the top receiver in the draft. I think a lot of debate will be ensuing in the coming months discussing the possibility of adding someone like Johnthan Banks to the secondary vs adding someone like Keenan Allen, who I think was hurt by some of the worst quarterback play I've seen in college football on the limited film I've seen from this past season.
Martin and Garner have been solid. Surprised with Garner really. I thought Martin would be decent since LT was his original position, but Garner has far exceeded my expectations at RT. I think you can afford to let the tackle position as it is, and only address say a RG with a 4th or 5th pick. As for the rest, if we do indeed settle into the 14-16 pick, i think you still have to look for defensive help. There really isn't any WRs worth 14-16 pick, i'm not so sure Allen is the best pick in that situation and aside from him, you can grab WRs in the 2nd round that would be just as good any other you could get in the 1st. I would venture CB and pass rusher would be your best bet still in that range. Also consider, middle of the draft is prime position for trade partners from fringe playoff teams and fringe Superbowl contending teams to move up and get that one piece they feel could put them over the top, while still not paying a kings ransom. Look for Cincinnati, for instance, who has two 2nd round picks and probably will finish with a low 20s 1st round pick, to be a suitable trade partner and get an extra 2nd rounder in the process.
Updated SOS. Interesting to see that our SOS slipped below .500 for the first time since I started keeping up with this. It puts us in a potential good spot should we lose, Jets, Bucs, and Panthers win as we'd win the SOS battle and move us to the 12th spot. If Pitt also wins that would move us to 11th 1 Kansas City 2-13 .508 @ Denver 2 Jacksonville 2-13 .538 @ Tennessee 3 Oakland 4-11 .467 @ San Diego 4 Philadelphia 4-11 .508 @ NY Giants 5 Detroit 4-11 .571 Chicago 6 Buffalo 5-10 .488 NY Jets 7 Cleveland 5-10 .500 @ Pittsburgh 8 Tennessee 5-10 .513 Jacksonville 9 Arizona 5-10 .563 @ San Francisco 10 San Diego 6-9 .458 Oakland 11 NY Jets 6-9 .504 @ Buffalo 12 Tampa Bay 6-9 .506 @ Atlanta 13 Carolina 6-9 .517 @ New Orleans 14 Pittsburgh 7-8 .467 Cleveland 15 Miami 7-8 .496 @ New England 16 New Orleans 7-8 .519 Carolina 17 St. Louis 7-7-1 .533 @ Seattle 18 Dallas 8-7 .517 @ Washington 19 NY Giants 8-7 .527 Philadelphia
I always prefer winning, however if we lose Sunday, it would be best for the franchise if your scenario pans out. 4 slots n the draft order would cost use a 3rd rd pick to move up to snag.
Updated with 4 PM games wrapping up here is where we stand. Depending on how the SOS works out between Fins & Bucs will decide if we pick ahead of them or not. I tend to doubt it'll shift more than .009 so i think we're pretty locked in at #12 1 Kansas City 2-14 .508 2 Jacksonville 2-14 .538 3 Oakland 4-12 .467 4 Philadelphia 4-12 .508 5 Detroit 4-12 .571 6 Cleveland 5-11 .500 7 Arizona 5-11 .563 8 Buffalo 6-10 .488 9 NY Jets 6-10 .504 10 Tennessee 6-10 .513 11 San Diego 7-9 .458 12 Miami 7-9 .496 13 Tampa Bay 7-9 .506 14 Carolina 7-9 .517 15 New Orleans 7-9 .519
12th in 1st round, and then rotate to as low as 15th (and as high as 11th) tied with SD, TB, CAR, NO, all with 7 wins and same winning percentage.
Probably Ezekiel Ansah. Looking at the top prospects its hard to guess who drops. WE could end up going WR but I'd like to think we just double up at WR in round 2. Going OL would be a disaster IMO at 12. Trading down would be ideal but 12 isn't a great spot IMO.
Man, I don't know. This seems like it is going to be an in between pick. The draft is loaded with impact defensive linemen, but that isn't necessarily the Dolphins biggest need. However, anytime you can get someone that the opposition has to account for, it is a good thing. Even if we had stayed at 15, I'm not sure this was a good range for the team to take an "offensive playmaker".
If we can solve WR and TE in Free Agency, it would make the decision in the draft easier and less of a reach on paper it seems.
That is a good point. This is probably one of those drafts where if you have a need and the player is graded as a 1st round pick, you can probably pretty much take him wherever you want.
Some of my favorite options in the Draft for the Dolphins... RB Giovanni Bernard, North Carolina OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M DE Bjoern Werner, Florida State DE Dion Jordan, Oregon DE Alex Okafor, Texas DE Zeke Ansah, BYU DE Sheldon Richardson, Missouri DT Star Lotulelei, Utah LB Manti Te'o, Notre Dame CB Dee Milliner, Alabama CB Johnathan Banks, Mississippi State ...and that's about it. Based on the fact that tiebreaks are giving us the advantage over Tampa Bay and New Orleans, it may be that we're destined to take Milliner or Banks in this draft to replace Vontae Davis.
Is Bernard the proper use of the pick at #12 - even without resigning Bush, a RB depth of Thomas, Miller, Gray, and Thigpen should be adequate vs using a 1st on running back, no?
A lot depends on re-signings and whatnot of course. But if they are intent on allowing Randy Starks to walk which seems to be the indications...then I think they could very well look for a bigger defensive end to replace Jared Odrick who will move inside to Starks' position. That could be Ezekial Ansah of BYU or maybe even Sheldon Richardson of Missouri. I don't think Richardson should be playing tackle in the pros, I think he'll play end. He runs not quite 300 lbs and I could see him getting to a playing weight of about 280-285 lbs. Even though his eyes will pop at Margus Hunt's Combine results, I do not imagine Jeff Ireland walking down the road once again with a 26 year old super raw guy based only on physical abilities.
I don't know if I'm ready to put Stedman on there. I'd like to see what he does at the Combine. There's also just the simple fact you don't want to take a guy at #12 that will be there at #43 and so it's important to realize where everyone else is valuing him before you start talking up the #12 overall pick.
I'm amending the list as I go. Added Zeke Ansah, Sheldon Richardson and Star Lotulelei. I think Richardson could replace Jared Odrick who would move to Starks' position, and there's just no point eliminating Star Lotulelei because he plays an unexciting position when the fact of the matter is he's a damn fine talent. That's why Luke Joeckel is in there.
..... or if there's no DE worthy of drafting but have already let Starks walk, perhaps Sylvester Williams gets into the mix, especially if we happen to trade back.
I think you have to consider Keenan Allen at 12. He might be the best WR in the past two classes IMO.
I certainly wouldn't ignore him (or the position) out of expectations that there might be other options available later.
First off we have yet to see if Elam is even going to come out. Second there's some validity to the question whether Elam and Reshad Jones should be paired together. Third, I'd like to see how Phillip Thomas tests before I place him in there.
Thomas is going to be a STUD in the NFL. Great instincts just needs to do better wrapping up. I didn't catch the Rutgers game but how did Kahseem Greene do?
