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Ex-Miami Dolphin: Lack of experience top reason for receiving struggles

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes, those are really holes..

    Imo, If you wanna compete on a Super Bowl level, were gonna need these positions to be upgraded, not sure what your arguing?, we need talent, and were gonna have to spend hi resources to get it ( hi end draft picks, 1 or two above average free agent contracts) , our gms job is to hit on the resources.

    You say we can't have star payers at given positions?? Huh? I mean I get what your saying, but were not in position to be looking for just decent talent.

    With 5 picks early in the draft, 50 mill in cap...you better find us some star players man.

    It's not as hard as it seems.
     
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  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think we need a #1 receiver..#1 running back..#1 tight end...#1 corner...#4 receiver that talented enough to contribute early and has the talent to beat out Bess or hart one day...#2 pass rusher, before we can compete at the highest level.


    tryin to win a Super Bowl, I don't think your gonna get there unless these position upgrades are addressed, the resources are there to upgrade the positions I listed..need to get it done, or damn close.
     
  3. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    You Just described the Cleveland browns, congrats. Te bottom line is, a loser is a loser. We are the definition of mediocrity. And you as a fan are content with that. You need to strive to be great just to be good. 6-10 last year. 6-8 right now. And you are defending this team and think we are close. Close to what? 8-8, 9-7? Glad that does it for you.

    I got news, most games are close in this league. The winners keep on winning, and we hover in that .500 and south range. The last 4 years have been close games, just on the wrong side of the scoreboard.

    And we do have holes, you fail to recognize this as you did back in August about our WR corp. We need good solid players bot just superstars. Call them what u want, playmakers, superstars, guys who can cause a freaking turnover...we need more of those. Or we can look forward to our 5th sub .500 season in a row.
     
  4. Fin D

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    You're right a loser is a loser. There's no difference between our record and 1-15. Both are losers and both require the same amount of things to improve. Brilliant Seth. Winners are winners to. There's no difference between 16-0 and 9-7.
     
  5. rdhstlr23

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    When I see Rishard Matthews on the field, he looks a ton like Orande in that 86.
     
  6. Rocky Raccoon

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    He even has the visor!
     
  7. Big E

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    Seth's right D. Ireland is the relavant next change that needs to happen. Marshall is having a pro bowl yr on a team with probably worse depth at WR than we have.That alone should get him fired IMO.
     
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  8. Fin D

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    Seth isn't right. He hasn't been right in fact.

    It cracks me up that we are on pace to blow past people's expectations this year but we still suck because we didn't go to the SB.

    Jesus christ, if you guys knew about the magic fingers you can snap and make all your dreams come true, why are you bogarting it?
     
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  9. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Right? I know it's crazy.
     
  10. jinx

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    The Dolphins O/U win total in Vegas was 7.5.

    So what expectations are we blowing past again?
     
  11. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The people on this board who claimed we would suck this year, and get less than 5 wins. Like Seth for example, you know, the person I was talking to.
     
  12. slickj101

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  13. Berezo

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    I am going to go with that the team is somewhere in the middle between finacious D and seth.
     
  14. rafael

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    I don't agree with that list. IMO we need a WR that threatens the deep part of the field and a TE that threatens the seam. I would also say we need an additional pass rusher opposite Wake and better S option on the backend. I think if we had those and a more seasoned QB that the rest of the talent we had on the team this year would have been enough to make us a legit SB contender.
     
  15. Sethdaddy8

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    A lot of posts were removed and that's fine so let me say this properly: show me where I said we would win 5 or 3 games? You can't, because I didn't. It was never one of my main arguments. I never thought we would be a bottom dweller. All of my off season rants and cursing were about MAKING THE WRONG DECISIONS. Who cared about records in June? We made the wrong decisions and now it has been proven and made obvious by BM'S all pro year, the Broncos ridiculous rise to the top, and Jeff Fisher taking a team with 15 wins in 5 seasons to a better record than us...despite playing in a tougher division with a tougher schedule, and starting with less.

    Making wrong decisions, and being irrelevant again, that was my argument. And that's EXACTLY what happened. 6-8, we are yet again, irrelevant in the NFL. And we didnt have to be.
     
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  16. Boik14

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    Ill do this on a position by position basis but I think we need a lot more then just those few positions. Not every spot needs a high pick or a big money FA ticket...some just need competent players. The depth charts at each position are how I would approach the offseason and are strictly my opinions:

    QB: I think we are set at starter. I'm encouraged by everything I see from Tannehill. He's fitting passes in to small windows with slow receivers which is making his job unnecessarily harder especially in an offense predicated on timing. We do need a legitimate back up if Moore leaves. Whether its a free agent or a draft pick we need a legit 2nd stringer.
    QB1: Tannehill
    QB2: Resign Moore or Draft a QB in the mid rounds
    QB3: Devlin/late round flier on someone

    RB: Even if Reggie Bush leaves, and I wouldn't commit big money or a long term deal to a RB of his caliber, I'm actually comfortable with what we have at RB. I think Lamar Miller can be as effective as Bush once hes better in blitz pick up. Daniel Thomas needs to find his swag but I think he can be an effective between the tackles runner. Jonas Gray imo can play in this league. Take a flier on a back, maybe Lattimore (yeah I have a man-crush) if you really want but I wouldnt pay big money for Reggie. We have much more pressing needs.
    RB1: Bush if less than 5M salary (if he leaves use a draft pick to address the 4th RB spot and let Thomas/Miller platoon)
    RB2: Thomas
    RB3: Miller
    RB4: Jonas Gray

    TE: Need a legitimate #1 and #3 option. The offense Philbin ran is TE heavy. We need two more TE options. Whether its another rookie or a FA such as Jared Cook or Dustin Keller (STAY AWAY FROM GATES!) I would be looking to add to Fasano and Egnew. And no, I haven't given up on Egnew. Im just not ready to put all my eggs in that basket either.

    TE1: Need
    TE2: Resign Fasano (Should be something reasonable like 2-3 years between 1.5-2M per since he'd be one of the better backups)
    TE3: Egnew

    WR: We know we need players here. These last two games should be used to evaluate what we have in Rishard Matthews. I would start him over Bess. We know what Bess can and cannot do. Bess is a nice player and by all accounts a good teammate but has limitations. Hartline is a FA. IMO we need at least 1 starter as I think Hartline can be a ster if we have a speedy #1 a better #3 then Bess. If Hartline wants more then 4-5M per then let him walk and invest heavy at WR...and by heavy I mean either 1 from Bowe/Wallace/Jennings + a high pick used at WR or two from that list. Overall we need 2 good players if Hartline is kept and 3 if hes not. By good I dont mean they have to be long term deals or paid a lot for but we have to find more players at the positions. Anyway its been beaten to death all season so I wont beat a :deadhorse: anymore.
    WR1: Need
    WR2: Need if Hartline leaves
    WR3: Need
    WR4: Bess
    WR5: Mathews (unless he proves otherwise in which case WR3 may not be a need but WR5 would be) - Given the need at the position, not ready to say that Mathews is a long term answer yet.

    OL: Easiest decision for me is to let Jake walk if he wants more then 7-8M per. He just hasnt played as an elite LT in a year and change. Plus Im not sure investing more then that is a good appropriation of funds anyway. Lock Martin in a weightroom and throw away the key til camp starts. Hope hes still as agile and much stronger. Hes looked like he can play LT. Hes given up 1 sack/4hurries to the 49ers and 2 hurries to the Jags. So we know he can already play there vs bad teams. We need a new right side too. Id probably suggest just moving Richie to RG and getting a LG and RT but thats just how Id approach it since I like Richie and feel every good OL has one nasty punk on it.
    LT: Martin
    LG: Need
    C: Pouncey
    RG: Richie (Id move him here since I dont think hes as agile as Philbin wants but hes still a nice asset)
    RT: Need
    3-4 backups...get bodies that can compete for those 3-4 spots

    DL: Whether Starks is kept or not we still need another pass rusher. Thats one thing that can take us from good to elite on defense. We have one great pass rusher and a lot of players that help. I think I would let Starks walk, slide Odrick inside, cut McDaniel (save 3M) and go after another DE in the draft to push Vernon. You can never have enough pass rushers, though with Anthony Barr deciding to stay in school today (LA Times), it will be a little harder to accomplish this. Even if Shelby and Vernon make a jump from inconsistent to much more consistent then it still cant hurt. Hell you could trade one. Imagine that? One day trading from a position of strength? Easier to find DT depth though so thats the approach Id take.

    LDE: Wake
    DT1: Soliai (Over Tackle or Nose tackle)
    DT2: Odrick (Takes Starks role)
    RDE: Vernon/Pick or Fa signing
    Should have 8-9 DL total

    LB's. Actually think its a pretty good starting unit. Couldnt hurt to draft Te'O or Alec Olgetree and kick Dansby to a OLB spot and let Misi/Burnett platoon the other spot based on whether its a run/pass situation. Depth needs to be addressed. After the starters its downhill.
    LB: Dansby
    LB: Misi
    LB: Burnett
    7 LB's total...depth MUST be addressed. ILB could be a BPA situation addressed in the draft if Te'O should be there for us in round 1 or Ogletree is around in round 2.

    DB's: Im ok signing Sean Smith if we get someone better across from him then Marshall who should be playing FS anyway. The complaint about the defense is that they dont force TO's but Marshall did that as a FS last year in Arizona. Ck and a few others have banged this drum for months and now that people are finally complaining about the lack of TO's you understand why. I banged this drum then and it deserves to be banged again since Marshall is best suited at FS. Slide Marshall to FS. Keep Jones at SS. Keep Sean Smith. Draft or sign a CB that can start. Im ok with Carroll on the roster but probably best suited as a #4. Still need a nickel CB imo.
    CB1: Need
    CB2: Smith
    CB3: Need
    CB4: Carroll
    CB5: Need
    FS1: Marshall
    FS2: Clemons (or use a pick/FA signing)
    SS1: Jones
    SS2: Need
     
  17. Boik14

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    It wasnt just yours...that exchange just wasnt pleasant for anyone to read. I agree more with you but I saw Fin D's side as well. Ireland is a hot-button issue and both sides could stand to be a little more rational and more respectful.
     
  18. Sethdaddy8

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    Well we're comfortable with each other, so we go harder. Kinda like when married porn stars shoot a scene together. So because of the intimacy, the man will lay into the girl a bit rougher? That's what I do to him. Make sense? I get keeping the boards clean tho.
     
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  19. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Does he feel the same about you as you feel about him? Some states allow that ya know. Thats some analogy :lol:
     
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  20. djphinfan

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    so you your against signing a Greg jennings? Your against drafting Eiffert if he's the top offensive skill player available.?

    I'm a little perplexed on your position, you just want skill position players that have a specific trait?
     
  21. fin13

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    Parcells' guy? you are kidding, after what he did to this franchise, Sporano the HC, did you watch the jests game last night, it reminded me of the fins the last 3 years.
    do not mention Philbin, feel free to mention Ireland another parcells'( the fraud) butt buddy.
     

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