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Deadly Shootings At Connecticut Elementary School

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Sleepy, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Cops in schools is a good plan. However I also would not be opposed to doing something to actively detect guns. We have the technology to do so. Perhaps insert a radioactive isotope in all guns, and then invest in detectors in many public places, so that if someone is walking into a public venue, proper authorities will know the person has a hidden gun.
     
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  2. eltos_lightfoot

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    I could get on board with gun shows having the same regulations as other gun dealers definitely.
     
  3. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Nah, a criminal will find a way around it. (The isotope.)
     
  4. Sethdaddy8

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    What would scare me is a lunatic just blowing past a metal detector, guns blazing. A cop has the chance to put him down. Wound the target. Call in back up sooner.
     
  5. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Granted. However, it is yet another measure to curve misuse. Nothing will ever be done to completely eradicate gun crime.
     
  6. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    *Imaginary armed assailant.

    I didn't say anything was solved, I'm only offering suggestions. But, apparently your only solution to violence is high powered guns.

    LOL, I've been hunting plenty, guess what we used... Muzzle loaders. If somebody uses a semi-automatic rifle to hunt, they are the biggest rednecks ever to be born out of incest. Every hunter I know, considers it abohrent to hunt using such an absurd weapon and if you're the type of person that uses or would use a semi-auto rifle for hunting, I have no problem calling you an idiot and *****.

    No, no 10 round magazines. But the tazers and pepper spray are great defense mechanisms, thanks for suggesting them.

    I have tons of experience with guns, and actualy enjoy skeet shooting and target practice, however, I can still not like what guns do when put in the hands of the wrong people.
     
  7. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Nah at this point you are resorting to personal attacks and are clearly not what you say you are. Luckily those people convince few.
     
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  8. Im not sticking my head in the sand. Im all for figuring it out, as you put it. We just disagree on your solution. It wont have the desired effect you think it will. You will not see a decline in homocides with stricter gun laws. It has been tried and its proven to not work. This has been my point throughout this thread.
     
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  9. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    Me?
     
  10. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    All public venues should have that system. Perhaps tampering with the mechanism could trigger a hit with authorities. It'd be for a decade or two down the road, but a step towards a safer future.
     
  11. Is there a reason you feel the need to attach an insult in your posts along with the points your trying to make?

    Lets talk about your household check idea. How would you impliment this type of a background check?

    They would have to breach medical confidentality and a minors confindentality in order to do these checks. What your asking people to do is to waive thses rights based on the potential that they might be involved in a future crime. That flys in the face of presumed innonence until proved guilty which is the cornerstone of our judical system.

    Furthermore, How do you handle people who are in occupations that require them to carry a firearm, like cops or military. If say there teenager gets into a fight at school and is convicted of assault should the parent then be forced to resign from thier postion because they have to have thier permit to carry revoked?

    How does your idea resolve these type of issues?

    I dont like what happened anymore then you or anyone else but more gun restrictions is not the answer. Its not even going to have the desired effect and its unfair to everyone. It wont make us safer.

    This is all I have been saying throughout this thread and if you have a good idea on how to prevent what happened then convince me. I just have not been convinced by your arguments so far. That could change if you make a compelling argument it just has not happened yet.
     
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  12. Troll on
     
  13. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Also, as I and others said, they should put responsibility on the owners of guns. Perhaps proof of ownership of a certain sq dimension of a govt standard safe be a part of procedure. And perhaps govt can help aid in taking locks and secure devices into this tech age with thumb print triggered locks or even retinal reading codes that are attainable for avg folks. It can happen with simple research and funding. It's about keeping the guns only accessible to the gun owner.

    We all agree that columbine and yesterday did not happen because of black market gun sales. Those crimes are of an isolated yet frequent nature. So I would be for banning gun shows, in favor of streamlining gun sales by larger private owned corps where permits and proper paper work is required, and a modicum of security and transaction history is present.
     
  14. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    Explain to me how my post was a troll? I was on topic with the op and the thread subject matter. As well, Article 15 of the online sports forum clearly states that calling a non-troll, a troll, makes one a troll. So, basically, I'm rubber and you're glue, Troll.
     
  15. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Yup.
     
  16. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Who or what did Insult this time??? And lets not forget who told who to **** off first??? You went there before me. So don't play victim.

    I gave up certain rights and confidentiality when I submitted my info for a permit and FID. if you want to have a firearm, you need to submit and grant access to your personal info. Insurnce companies do it. Banks and mortgage lenders access it. Why not the govt when you want something that can potentially kill other people?

    It would piss you and a lot of people off, but it's for the greater cause and it's better than another prohibition.
     
  17. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    I only insulted you if you're the kind of guy who hunts with automatic weapons. Do you?
     
  18. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    You need to reread your post if that is honestly what you believe deep down inside.
     
  19. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    Lets.

    I assume the bolded is where I insulted you. Correct? Then you do hunt with automatic weapons?
     
  20. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Actually I was talking about the whole thing, but if you don't understand the difference between semi-auto and auto, then you need information quickly. And shows your disingenuous argument.
     
  21. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Way to ignore my post about the mountain lion also.
     
  22. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    And I challenge anyone to find a poster in here who has been more stereotyped than me.
     
  23. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    Lol, I never insulted you. Really, I didn't. And if I did, please repost it so I can see it.

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      • 1Mountain lions tend to avoid people, so if one seems to be approaching, try to give it a chance to escape.


      • 2Look the lion in the eye (s) if it continues to approach you.


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      • Make loud noises. Showing your teeth[​IMG] and making growling noises may help.


      • 4Make yourself appear bigger by raising up your jacket or other clothing[​IMG] and extending or holding up your arms.


      • 5Stand up straight and stick out your chest.


      • 6Pull children close, and if possible, put a small child[​IMG] on your shoulders to appear larger. If there are other adults, stand close together.


      • 7If you feel you can retreat, back away slowly, and remember to never turn your back to the animal.


      • 8Use anything within reach as a weapon and try to avoid bending or kneeling to get it. Mace or pepper spray, sticks, branches, rocks, a knife. If you have a bicycle, you can hold it up as a shield.


      • 9Try to target an eye and jab it with your thumb (people who have done this have been successful) or use a weapon if available.


      • 10Yell "lion", "cougar" or something specific instead of just "help[​IMG]."

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  24. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Shakes head. Umm no, when it is stalking a toddler none of that will work. You have to kill it. With a semi auto rifle in case you miss.
     
  25. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    Gotcha. So I'm clear, the ONLY way in the whole wide world to fend off a mountain lion is by using a semi-auto rifle, and only a semi-auto rifle.

    Well, some would disagree, like this guy, who was mauled and then was left by the lion.

    http://news.yahoo.com/man-survives-...alifornia-214959797--abc-news-topstories.html

    15 attacks in California in the last 122 years... Your mountain lion scenario is as likely to happen as me winning the powerball, several times.
     
  26. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Phew! Glad that CA applied to my state! Nice! You sure ignored, I mean, solved that problem.
     
  27. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Also, do you know statistics?
     
  28. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    Can I just call you strawman from now on? I disproved your argument, so obviously all you have left is spin. It's been fun debating you, sorry that I insulted you (even though you can't show me where). I hope you have a nice Christmas.
     
  29. Let me start off by appologizing to you for going off like I did. I think maybe you insult people unitentionally and perhaps it was an over reaction on my part. FYI what sparked it was when you implied that gun owners are trailer trash. I am all in favor of letting it go and moving foward with a rational conversation about gun control.

    Heres my problem with your argument. We are talking about everyone in that persons household giving up thier rights not just the person applying for a permit. Your including minors in your background check. There are legal privacy issues involed in your idea. Do you expect everyone in that household to waive their rights to privacy?

    Also you did not answer the second part of my question about people who are required to carry firearms as part of their employment. Would you require that they be fired if somebody in their household did something that would cause them to have their firearm permit revoked?
     
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  30. Sleepy

    Sleepy Well-Known Member

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  31. Sethdaddy8

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    Like exceptions are made Now for cops, some concessions would need to be made. Then again, they would have proper training and equipment too, and be best equipped to handle domestic prevention.

    Obviously things would need to be really thought out.

    And yes, they wave rights because of what's at stake.

    I apologize too for being personal.
     
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  32. slickj101

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  33. Fin D

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    I have a gun.

    I live in a very rural area. Bears have literally taken a **** under my stairs in the past two months. We don't even have a garbage pick up, because if you left your garbage out overnight, it would be destroyed.

    I am fine with guns in general.

    But there would have been no way to prevent this last tragedy, unless there were stricter gun laws, like for gun shows. Unless we want armed teachers. Which i don't think we do. Maybe we should mandate every school have a cop assigned to it.
     
  34. This is the heart of where we disagree. If we implimented your idea it would not reduce homocides. If you dont believe me me google it and your not going to find any statisical data that shows a relationship between a decline in homocides with increased gun restrictions. Its been tried and it does not work. Its a false security blanket.

    IMO deterents is what will decrease homocides. I might be wrong on this but I think I was the 1st person in this thread to suggest we hold gun owners legal culpulable for any crimes committed with their guns. I would not go as far as saying that they are the only one allowed to fire their weapon but if the weapon is used in the comission of a crime I think its fair that they face charges too, unless the weapon was reported stollen of course.

    My 3 restrictions were:
    1. People who have been clincaly diagnosised of being mentaly incapable of understanding right from wrong
    2. People who have been convicted of a violent criminal act
    3. hold gun owners responsible for crimes involving their weapon

    Beyond that I dont think there is much more that you can do that would be effective in deterring crime and the price you are paying is relinquishing your rights.

    I dont expect you to agree with me here but that is my opinion fwiw
     
  35. What new restriction could of prevented this? Outlaw parents from owning guns?

    Why not just force everyone to only use one entrance to a school and search everyone before entering. Would that satisfy you?
     
  36. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I challenge you to re read my post to see what new restriction I'm talking about.
     
  37. Ronnie Bass

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    Here is one law I would be behind, the ban of guns and ammo on the internet, you want toto make a purchase? Do it in person with a licensed gun dealer.
     
  38. slickj101

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    You can't buy guns on the internet in many states, iirc.
     
  39. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    I'm blown away by the commints of some given the facts of this shooting.

    All of these weapons were legally bought by this kid's mother. They were traceable meaning that they were bought thru a dealer either at his shop or at a gun show. Why did she buy them and when has yet to be reported. The school was in lockdown mode with only one door as an entry point. Glass was broken to gain entrance thru that door.

    A one of my links in my other post shows this has been an ongoing problem since the 1930's which the FBI among others have tried to address .... it appears that no one is listening. Including most in this thread.

    Black powder... surely you jest. Lets not shoot them just blow them up. In fact there may come a time when that too happens in this country.
     
  40. Ronnie Bass

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    I'm sure you can't in some states but the Colorado killings that psycho bought enough bullets online to invade Canada , 6,000 I believe. Thats insane.
     

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