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Not sold on tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Dec 9, 2012.

  1. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Agreed. We have our Ken O'Brien, folks. Chill out. :)
     
  2. Bpk

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    I'd rather have luck than tannehill and I don't give a **** what the QBR says.

    Six fourth quarter comebacks is not just luck.

    Well, actually it IS.
     
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  3. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    You're still ignoring Shou's complete error in argument considering it initially revolved around QBR.
    Luck is obviously a once or twice in a century player but Tannehill's 4th quarter comeback verse Seattle was prettier than anything Luck has done this year. To have ANY chance to do it as often as Luck would require a surrounding cast at least as good as Luck's. Only so much a QB can accomplish in the comeback department when his receiving corps is deficient AND the defense knows it's coming. When defenses actually prioritize stopping our starting duo, they can..... with ease. They're such an afterthought that defenses would rather give them some yards than let Bush or the rest of the offense beat them, especially when they offer zero ability to break a big play touchdown after the catch.


    You can wish for Luck all you want. We got what we got. Time for people to deal with it my friend.
     
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  4. slickj101

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    Reggie Wayne sure as **** isn't hurting either.
     
  5. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    No way Slick. haven't you read any of Shou's posts?! All pass catchers are the same!!! Wayne was only a 1st round draft pick b/c his QB in college made him great. :unsure:
     
  6. Coral Reefer

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    Please remember that talent at the WR position is not important in this offensive system.

    Also there is a thread with a bunch of cherry picked stats and a verbatim near in length of the bible meant to show us how great our WR's actually are. :lol:
     
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  7. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    That's assuming the WRs can actually catch :lol:
     
  8. Coral Reefer

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    Luck is on another level.
    No argument.

    We shouldn't be talking about Luck though.

    Question is whether Tannehill will continue to grow and develop towards being a successful QB in the NFL.
    A lot of variables right now including the crew around him.

    I'm not about to give up on the kid.
    Player development isn't an old wise tale.... It's how most players slowly adjust to the NFL game.
     
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  9. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    If there was ever a post on this board that I have seen that was ****ing bloody on point it's this one, well ****ing said Sir !
     
  10. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Lack of talent points in one direction, and one only. We know who picks it.
     
  11. oakelmpine

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    That's it in a nutshell. It lays at the feet of the talent elvauator and drafter.
     
  12. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    I reply to this post just to quote it so people will read it again....maybe it will finally sink into some of the thicker brains around here.
     
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  13. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Luck, RGIII and even Tom Brady would have trouble winning with these recevers. Why do you think Peyton Manning had ZERO interest in coming here ?
     
  14. oakelmpine

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    Truth hurts doesn't it ?
     
  15. oakelmpine

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    Hopefully it will be about the new receivers & offensive weapons the new GM is bringing in, instead of a dolt that believes talent raises itself magically from being 4's, 5's and 6's.
     
  16. pumpdogs

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    So let me get this straight we have played the 49ers 13 times this year?Just like with henne everybody has the blinders on and makes every excuse to give this guy a pass.
     
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  17. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    He failed at 3 tasks this past offseason : Getting a stud WR to help his QB (whoever it was), getting a stud TE, getting a DB to solidify his 2ndary.

    Those just happen to be the areas that are killing this team, and it's season.

    He needs to go, and NOW. I don't trust him.
     
  18. jw3102

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    I haven't given up on Tannehill, but I just haven't seen improvement in his game as the season has gone along. In fact as I was looking at the standings in the newspaper this morning, it shows that of the first five QB's taken in the 2012 draft, Tannehill has the team with the the lowest chance of making the playoffs at this time. Even Weeden, with the Browns, now is higher in the standings than the Dolphins.

    Luck, RG3, and Wilson all have a very good chance of leading their teams to the playoffs in their rookie season. So while the lack of play makers on offense is part of the problem with the offense. Tannehill's failure to show improvement at this point in the season is clearly a concern for the Dolphins going forward.
     
  19. CRAZYFACE

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    We don't seem to be winning, and that's a problem. The QB position is vital. I'd have let Matt Moore have a run in the team up to half way though, we seemed to be getting better with him last season. We've thrown in a newbie who doesn't know the players the same and the fans expectations have risen, well he must be damn good to be put in from the off. Well he's obviously not. He needed time. I hope that this season won't damage his confidence and he will see it as a very steep learning curve. I'm not happy about this by the way, just gotta hope I'm right. A decent wide reciever will help him and the team.
    PS Bess is utter utter s, h one t.
     
  20. oakelmpine

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    To tell you how bad it is.....our 3rd receiver (If Hartline & Bess are 1 &2) the next is Moore w/ 4 catches. That is pathetic. And the TE has almost been non-existant. Has any one caught a TD except for Fasano & Mastrud ?
     
  21. Lt Dan

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    way to support your comment with nothing....well done sir
     
  22. oakelmpine

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    JW he can only make the talent so much better. He is limited so badly with the receiving corps he has. This season was doomed from the start because Jeff Ireland refused to upgrade the WR corps.
     
  23. Stitches

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    Mastrud has 0 TDs? :confused:

    Clay, Bess, Hartline, and Moore all have more TDs than Mastrud.
     
  24. oakelmpine

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    Sorry I thought Mastrud had caught one. It was Clay instead. I should have made it clear I was specifically talking about the TE's
     
  25. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    One thing I have seen from RT the past couple weeks that could be considered true development is his movement in the pocket to either buy more time, or find a throwing lane, when one wasn't immediately available. Especially yesterday. I mean, for one, he's moving up in the pocket now (a standard move for a legit QB in this league), something he wasn't doing earlier in the year. He eluded A. Smith a o couple times actually, which helped the sack stats, I'm certain. I think if this were week three, Ryan may have gone down 4-5 times instead of what happened yesterday.

    It's a small thing, but a key point in his development. I think he already knows how to get out of the pocket to extend a play, but he's now learning how to throw the ball when the pocket is collapsing around him and there is no way out. A big step, which will become even more apparent when he has better weapons to catch the ball.
     
  26. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I know and reading it now I feel stupid. I couldn't help it. 2 weeks in a row. Man I want this damn team to win and it is getting old. Every year we end up saying maybe next year. Everyone has some part of the blame as to why we are loosing. I feel THill is a huge part of it. I saw the article on THill last week and I saw the plays this week that were missed. It's another year and we are close to being competitive but, no cigar. It is very frustrating.
     
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  27. JMHPhin

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    Aaron Rodgers overthrew Jennings for 2 touchdowns last night and Stafford severely under through Megatron on 1 pass it look like the hartline pass last week. Differences Rogers has the talent the experience in the supporting cast over come the the mistakes that were made.

    Point is we all wanted him to take advantage of the opportunities that are there. but they're not always there and their limited so makes the ones that are missed glaring. But all quarterbacks miss passes or overthrow some. Ryan is Rookie we have to give him some time to develop. Where is Green Bay can compensate for those missus with the number of opportunities and better supporting cast
     
  28. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    You know what's going to happen--3 to 5 years more rebuilding. Because then it will be well, the new GM had to dismantle and rebuild the team. By then the coach will be history and we will be starting over from there also. Jesus the last time we got anywhere I was a freshmen in High school. This year I will be 44. I am tired. It is getting really old. Please stop the madness

     
  29. oakelmpine

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    Until we can get the right person to build the franchise we are stuck in the NFL version of Ground Hog Day. That is why he should have been blown out last year and another guy brought in WITH Philbin so they can build it together from the start.

    But because Ross is so clueless he couldn't see that.
     
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  30. gunn34

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    This is what I think too. He needs alot more reps at QB. He is very raw at this position. To compare him with henne is wrong. henne had tons of experience and no skills to make throws we have seen Thill make already. I was frustrated with some of his missed opportunities yesterday and earlier, but he's better than any QB we have had in a long time. He needs time and reps.

    Seems like some of the same posters take EVERY thread to bash the GM. Does every thread have to be about Ireland?
     
  31. Da 'Fins

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    I know it sometimes sounds like "are" but it's really "our."
     
  32. Da 'Fins

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    Does every season have to be 6-10 below mediocrity?

    As long as the latter is solidly in play, the former will be the topic.
     
  33. gunn34

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    If posters want to bash the GM, I'm OK with it. Just not in every thread. Start a thread about the weather and it's Irelands fault it too sunny, fire him. Start a post about Don Shula and it's Irelands fault he retired, fire him. Start a post about Florida and it's Irelands fault it too far away from Alaska, fire him. Post a picture of a blond in the ladies lounge and it's Irelands fault she's not a brunette, fire him. It's too much. I like to see post about the title in the thread, not all this Ireland crap. If I want to read that stuff, I'll go to that thread.
     
  34. dWreck

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    This x100, There have been some blatant improvements recently. Pocket Awareness and stepping up in the pocket is one of them. It is almost a night and day difference from the beginning of the season deer-in-headlights Tannehill. it's very noticeable at this point. Also it's nice to see him running the ball, whether pre-planned or stepping up in the pocket and taking off. He knows he can and We know he can, it just hasn't been something he's been done until recently. I think him watching Wilson do it on us sparked that a tad.

    Between this and things like the batted down passes from the first few weeks of the season, it's very obvious the kid is improving, and the kid is good man. This is coming from someone who was 110% against drafting him. Idk why the expectations were/are SO HIGH for a more inexperienced rookie QB than others, with 2 NFL back up receivers and a marshmallow O-line outside of center. Hell, my prediction was 2-3 wins this season. For what he has to deal with, he puts the ball where it needs to be most of the time. This offense would be straight up scary with an Alpha WR or two, and a TE.

    I said at the start of the season, since I was against drafting him, If RTH somehow magically carried us to the playoffs or even a positive record, i'd buy an authentic RTH jersey. I obviously don't see either happening, his back ain't THAT strong. But I still might.
     
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  35. DolfanTom

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    While I tend to defend RT probably more than is necessary (comes from being an ultra optimist I guess), I do want to see him have some nice success the next couple weeks - especially against the Jax defense, which is less than stellar. Then get some revenge on Buffalo. We do have limited talent on offense, but we should have enough to move the ball against those two defenses, and I like our D's chances against those two offenses (Wow, Henne came back down to earth the past couple weeks - just couldn't see that coming ....).

    Tannehill needs these next two weeks to show he's grown up a bit, and I fully expect he will. That last game against the Pats, who knows if the Pats will even be trying. But the next two weeks, he needs to find a way to move the ball consistently against subpar D.
     
  36. padre31

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    Bull****

    Tannehill is wildly inaccurate, take off the homer glasses and see things as they are, not as you'd like them to be.
     
  37. padre31

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    THil iz on pace for the 2nd lowest number of TD passes...all time


    He's not very good and I do believe I've had about enough.
     
  38. dWreck

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    I watch all the same games you do, I also hated the kid before he even got a chance to play, but wildly inaccurate is just something I do not see, and is definitely not something I think many, if not most people see as well. There are so many passes that were 1 step from being a catch that any ball-hawking-not-afraid-to-jump-and-pull-a-ball-down elite WR or TE would make, and do make, regularly.

    A bit raw? yes.
    Not as clutch as he needs to be at times? (yet) yes.
    A developmental QB that has shown positive signs of improvement? yes.
    Not living up to unreasonable and unfair hype? yes.
    middleschool grade WR core that trips over blades of grass? yes.

    Wildly Inaccurate? Give me a break. Sanchez and Tebow are WILDLY inaccurate. Inconsistent? that would be fair to say. but Wildly inaccurate... That is flat out absurd imho.
     
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  39. padre31

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    And the cow ran away with the spoon.

    Tannehill kinda sucks, he is waaaay to inaccurate, he has lost us at least 4 games this year and quickly becoming my most hated Dolphins player..just tired of the same piss azz performances week after week

    Stop making excuses
     
  40. dWreck

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    He was also 1 yard short of breaking the all-time NFL rookie passing yardage record.

    I still find it somewhat dumfounding that Tannehill is being put on the blame for the TD count in its entirety.... You take into consideration the play calling, the rushing TDS because of the spot of the ball.... the dropped passes.....the fact that our WRs love catching the ball and falling on the open field for seemingly no reason when they would have been gone all the way. ( which needs to be pointed out because after 4 or 5 times that would have been TDs, its a problem ). This conversation wouldn't exist. How does he get TDs with WRs that just make mindblowing mistakes and amazingly bad decisions, on top of being O.K. 2nd and 3rd players at best?

    Edit: Your argument has no basis until offensive weapons are added. If Tannehill Does nothing but regress after a full offseason and weapons added, then he can be everything you are claiming. I guess by this logic you think Alex Smith and Kaepernick are good QBs? Lol. Look who they are throwing the ball to.
     
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