Disagree, coming off of a 1-15 season you have to hit on those picks, if Long walks, or his play continues to slide, it would be disasterous for Ireland's job prospects imo. Quite simply, we cannot keep missing on draft picks and expect to win, as much as I love CFLers there are just not enough good ones to make up that large of a talent gap, and UDFA's are fine, IF you hit on them which is tough to do.
I wasn't the person who first stated he was complacent this year. I was merely responding to a a previous poster who stated that he believed Long's play had diminished this year because he had become complacent. Personally I believe his numerous injuries in recent years have taken a toll on his body and his play this year is a refection of his inability to play as effectively because of these injuries. This latest injury only adds to the huge possibility that Long will not be a member of the Miami Dolphins in 2013, IMO.
Since the Eagles gave up a #1 and also gave Peters a 6 year $60M deal, I think it may actually be possible to trade Jake.
I think that's a bit different deal. He had a bad year on his own merits(probably related to being dissatisfied with money). Long has injury issues, and his play(while better than Peters in 2008) is a bit of a mystery.
Exactly. And, in this case it's magnified because we're talking about missing on what looks like a franchise QB. Look, I'm not trying to start the Long vs. Ryan debate up. As a matter of fact, I thought drafting Long made the most sense at the time. Hell, I even thought so three years later. But today it looks like a bad decision to me.
You badly, badly need to do some sort of contextual research if you think the Dolphins are missing a lot of picks. You don't know what drafts realistically look like if that is the case.
Long will never command a 1st now. Maybe a 2nd and 4th/5th, but not a 1st, especially where Dallas will be drafting this year.
And Ireland is paid, and paid well to see these things. That is part of your job as a GM, to be a soothsayer. If you aren't good at that, then don't plan on being a GM for long (unless you have a clueless owner).
I mean I still think he's a very good player in the system. But when he has the option of picking any team to play for, I think it may be a factor for him.
I never argued that he would suddenly turn to crap. Just that if he was a 99 in the old system he might be only a 91 in the new system and yet will still fetch the price of a 99, and it's reasonable to question if you should be doing that. Actually my preference was to trade him before 2012, anticipating this problem and monetizing him while he still had a year left under contract and his trade value would've been at its peak. Given that the Dolphins didn't do that, I'm thinking the best option might be to explore whether he'll accept a more reasonable contract.
I don't disagree with any of that. I was just looking at it from Long's perspective. He has to feel that he hasn't lived up to expectation this season. I think if he's going to take less money, it will be for a team where he can be a 99, rather than a 91, as you put it.
If they low ball him he has every reason to shop his services and that is a part of the balancing act.
Why not? It's basically the highest success rate you're going to get on any area of personnel, and year to year fluctuation is more than that if you quantified it.
That would signify Long taking a lot less money. You certainly don't want to pay a RT that much money, especially after using a 2nd round pick on a LT last draft.
Given that I'm one of the very, very few who raised the spectre of concern prior to the season about how well Jake Long would fit in this new scheme, I actually think his "struggles" are being a little bit overblown. There's no doubt he's performing worse than he had, and I sure don't like that he's given up 4 sacks...but to start talking about moving him to right tackle or paying him like $5 or $6 million a year...that just seems too far.
Not really. Remember Jake just came off surgery after last season and no one was sure how he would be. He was not stellar the year before that either, 2010. Nobody would take his 2012 salary on and then give a draft pick also ? If he had not had the prior surgery and played well in 2011 it would have been different. They are not going to tag him then look for a trade either, that would be stupid. With the surgery he is now going to need plus 15 million plus when a franchised tagged player is traded its usually TWO first round picks. Nobody in their right mind is going to give up a first round pick now, no less two plus have to pay him 15 mil, not happening
This is brilliant... John Martin gets his chance at LT and if he plays well we let Jake Long walk and save ourselves from paying him top quarterback money. Although sad to say, this is the best thing that couldve happened. By no means do I or should any of us dislike our big man Jake Long, i respect him more than anyone on our team and if he finds his way back on the phins next season, that is more than fine by me. Hes an incredible veteran and leader to have, but as we all know and have seen, there is a business side of this game.
Yes, but it's a little bit difficult to blow your own horn when you didn't seem to have any idea that Jake Long had been drafted out of Michigan which was an almost entirely zone scheme.
Yes I'm sure I never realized that Jake Long was drafted out of Michigan. Keep on surrounding yourself with a straw army.
No suprise. Another injury riddled season for Long. Feel bad for him but we can afford to lose him imo. We need to move on. Build around Pouncey. He's the stella player on our OLine.
I believe these are all the moves for today per Armando: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/
It's not at all straw if its literally what you said. If that's not what you meant it's something else, but I don't see how that could be the case
It sucks that Jake is injured, but this could work out in our favor. It might help bring down his asking price and keep him in a Phins uniform next season. Sorry, but I don't see us finding an upgrade at LT. Yes he has been struggling but he is still an elite talent in this league.
regardless of whether we sign Long or not, I believe we will use one of those high draft picks on a tackle next April (maybe not the first rounder, but one of the other four high picks)
