I thought it was a pretty throw, really tight spiral, perfect trajectory, I'm not worried about his arm or his accuracy..the stuff I'm looking at is trying to figure out what is teachable and what is instinctual, so I can figure out what type of weapons he needs, for example, I think we're gonna need a really good, overall solid, downhill, tough, back.. I believe I saw Reggie run forward, then backward, then forward again in 5 a square foot radius...I'm tired of it..
Luck and RGIII are the worst thing to happen to Tannehill. Peopel will see what they are doing and then say why isnt Ryan? Ryan missed some passes today that he needs to make that underthrow to Hartline had me cringing. But it was a huge game against an elite team. NE defense isnt great but Belicheck is a great mind and can game plan for a game and design for his opponent hence they bend but dont break, because that is teh personeel they have. But Tannehill had a couple drops, was rushed alot, had some misfortune on a blind side hit and got put behind teh 8 ball by a mishandled punt. To me I see a qb that doesnt have teh game experience that Luck or RGIII have either. he doesnt have a vet #1 receiver like they do, ANdrew luck went to a team whose core was 1 full season removed from being a SB contender. added 2 very good TEs and flyer at receiver. RGIII went to Washington who had pieces in place. We let our #1 receiver leave replaced him with noone. didnt add a te that is playing at all. added 1 new olineman and yet we ask RT to be all end all. I think he is playing well, needs to progress and grow and improve but is promising. I just didnt see today the negatives everyone else did. Ididnt see greatness, but I saw a kid that competed and never quit never rattled and made some plays at the end, not enough but he wasnt given alot of help, always chasing. I saw plenty to improve on, but I saw a qb.
ok here is why, it implies that had he hit those passes we win the game. As I said in teh refs cost us the Buf game debate, football is an accumulation of plays and events that are dependent on the previous. That is the results of previous play dictates how you play ijn the future. Had we scored those 14 points NE doesnt try to force fee the run game, they open Brady up more, go no huddles, speed up the pace of the game. How someone calls the game would have changed had the outcome of those passes changed. So to say RT missed wide open receivers cost us the game is just untrue. The defense and ST all contributed to the loss. RT did as well. He was part of teh loss. but he didnt lose it. he wasnt the reason, he also put us in place for 16 points and had we gotten off teh field with out allowing an 8 min drive who knows what would happen. I guess what I am saying is Luck and RGIII are playing well, but their teams are playing better. 12 games will never be enough to judge. And improving? No Ints no forced balls into teh double coverage int the endzone no dumb pick 6s. He was poised to the end, I will not judge him on this game
If he hits multiple passes, then there is a better chance for Miami to win the game. On a whole I am happy with Tannehill. Football is an accumulation of plays, and the most important plays are the ones that are done by the quarterback. When the quarterback doesn't play well it is more difficult for the rest of the team to win the game. As it was with Buffalo and Tennessee. Better quarterback play in those three games and Miami's chances of winning increases a lot. I don't think he should be benched. I am down on him. However saying that he isn't playing well, when he isn't playing well, isn't saying that he is a terrible quarterback or putting him on the cross.
tanny is showing some improvement. He's also showing he is a rookie. Rookies gonna rookie. Short of surrounding him with an all star team he's going to **** up. Nothing, nothing, will stop that. He's learning on the job just as many of you have done the same. Having said that as someone who isn't sold on tanny, I think he's looked pretty damn good.
As it stands right now he's behind those 3. Is it because they have better talent? Yes/maybe. Luck has Wayne, Avery, Hilton, and Fleener. RG3 has Garcon, Moss, Morgan, Hankerson, and Davis. Wilson has Rice, Tate, Baldwin, and Miller. Tannehill has Bess, Hartline, and Fasano. Everyone else has 4+ decent targets while Ryan is stuck with a good slot receiver, a #2 receiver, and an average TE. Though Bess and Hartline are having career years RECEIVING wise, it's because that's all there is. Is it because those 3 are better than him? Quite possibly. RG3 has 16 TDs, Wilson has 19, Luck has 17, and Tannehill has 7. Even Weeden has 15 TDs. Even ol' Dan had 20 TDs in 9 games during his rookie season. Tannehill's problems are that he's too inconsistent, holds the ball too long, stares down receivers from time-to-time, and doesn't use Bush enough imo.
Very true.... and the first point of your post leads to the second. Lack of receiver talent can cause a QB to hold the ball too long..... and lack of receiver talent can keep a defense in cover2 too often & with the safeties up to where Bush is limited in the passing game.
I keep my eye on Reggie quite a bit in the passing game, and it seems all too often there's limited opportunities for Tannehill to dump the ball off to him in space to where he can do all the exciting Reggie stuff we've come to expect. The receivers have gotta be upgraded to help him out so that defenses aren't so often in zone where they can focus on taking away the short stuff underneath as well as seeing the play develop in front of them more often than when in man IMO.
That's why wheel routes were good for him in New Orlens, if I recall correctly. Anything without sharp cuts (which is weird, you'd think he'd excel at that, but I guess a running cut and a pass route cut require different types of movement). At this point, despite Reggie's great talent, if the coaches can't use him to get the most out of that talent, then just let him go. Still don't get why Miller is nowhere to be seen. This offense is desperate for a spark.
7 TDs over 13 games. 7. That is terrible, rookie or no. The production has to increase and the turnovers have to decrease. I've been harping on it in the thread where I've been tracking his TD/INT ratio, but you just cannot be a successful QB in this league with a TD/INT ratio < 1. It won't happen. Not saying Tannehill can't make it in this league, but his production has to be concerning to both coaches and fans.
Caus fans are objective and as knowlledgeable as the coaches? Seriously the unbridled panic is disheartening
I still think that is a product of the lack of offensive weapons. That is laid at the feet of the person that acquires the talent. Taking Egnew still haunts this team. I really want to know what is up with that guy. Ireland can't blame that on Parcells. And Hllton, a local talent was there for the taking.....he passed on Graham, he passed on.....etc etc, the list goes on and on.
That's part of it, sure. But the great QBs make the players around them better. Tannehill has done that to a certain extent with Hartline. You mention Hilton and to that I'd say it's much more Andrew Luck making Hilton look better than vice versa.
The fact that Luck and RGIII are better than Tanny isn't unexpected or even a problem. Those guys were better prospects and better players in college. Tanny just needs to be as good as he can be and hopefully that's good enough. If we're measuring Tanny's worth based on comparisons to Luck and RGIII then we're only going to be dissapointed.
Easy answer. This entire thread will place blame everywhere but on Ryan Tannehill. This board has Obama syndrome. Ryan Tannehill is a average QB. What I saw Sunday was nothing special. Insert a Chad Pennington or Matt Moore for that matter and we would have been contenders. But hindsight is 20/20. We will die with Tannehill at QB because Irelands job is at stake. I got a suspicion some people are going to get their wish. Only problem is we are not going to win until after, way after......2 - 3 years or more.
Another qb expert No most will tell that Rt. Didnt have agreat game and was a factor. But ignoring the defense gassed itself as much as O did is just ridiculous, how many 3 and outs didd they get? How many 3rd n longs given up? Tannehill doesnt get a pass but neithr does anyone else. Tannehill is a rook w less exp than other rookies with less talent around him. Expectations out of whack w reality
You lose pretty much all credibility in your first paragraph, because I don't think you'll find a single person here who doesn't think Tannehill needs to play better (regardless of the talent around him) for this team to succeed. While Tannehill can't do it all himself (no one can consistently), there would be more room for error with better players around him.
Yes he does, and depending on the context, they factor. Most of the time I have been discussing his TD/INT ratio, which is why I don't count rushing TDs. To even it out, I also haven't mentioned the fumbles. But 9 is still bad for a span of 13 games.
I believe it is a combination..... But is it me or RT is leaving ALOT of throws on the field recently.....like very completable ones too.....
It was pure incompetance not to go with Russell Wilson in the draft, he was there, the evidence was in plain sight that he was a very good QB. Reality is we may have to wait 4 years to realise if Tannehill will work out or not. Its also fair to say its very likely at the end of that we will end up with a top 15 QB rather than a top 5. On current form, even Mark Sanchez would be an improvement, and that is worrying!
Wilson outplayed Tannehill in college (Wilson had a season record NCAA passer rating of 191.8 in 2011) - Fact Wilson is rated the 7th best QB in the NFL right now - Fact 7th best in the NFL for a rookie is a sign the guy has pure talent - Fact All seems to point to Wilson being the guy over Tannehill IMO....
Please schedule surgery to remove the jerk from your knee. There is no actual apples-to-apples comparison in your post, you're simply playing the result, and playing it very early with no foresight or performance projection.
The problem is, if Tannehill is a late bloomer QB like Brees, he likely won't be on this team when he gets good and that won't help us at all.
Passer rating isn't really the best measure to use here. TDs are too dependent on factors other than the QB. Yards per attempt is much better IMO. Tannehill is pretty comparable to Wilson, and even Luck in net YPA.
Nearly as much upside as Griffin? Robert Griffin probably has the highest upside of any player to ever play in the NFL. There may be a case for Tannehill being able to become comparable to Luck, but he's nowhere near Griffin. There is a legitimate case for Griffin being MVP of the league. His surrounding cast isn't any better than what Tannehill has. He's been without his two best receivers for most of the season. He's done his damage with Santana Moss, Aldrick Robinson, Leonard Hankerson, and Logan Paulson. Griffin is just on another level.
Here's the thing that bothers me. Last week, at this time, we all were thrilled w/ Ryan after his fourth-quarter performance vs. Seattle. Today, we're killing him. The fact of the matter is, Ryan has been simply inconsistent, which is to be expected of most rookies. The problem is, there are four other rookies outperforming him right now, and it makes him seem weaker as a result. But that doesn't mean he still can't be the answer in due time. There are some serious extenuating factors that are skewing this: -Yes, Luck and RGIII are having monster rookie seasons, and Wilson isn't far behind them. But let's think about this for a moment. Luck was about as seasoned as you could get coming out of school, and perhaps the best QB talent coming out in almost 30 years. Yes, Luck is better than Tannehill - like anyone didn't know that coming in. Then you have RGIII, who was also quite seasoned coming out, and only won the Heisman trophy for all his talents. He is also better than Tannehill right now, and was better prepared to make an immediate impact in his rookie year. Wilson was - what - a third round pick. But let's face it - we all know Wilson had first round talent, but probably fifth-round height, so it averages out. If he was 6'2", he'd have been a Dolphin likely. And again, Wilson was very seasoned and better able to make an immediate impact. Let's not forget Seattle also had a pretty good team and was really a QB away from having a good year. The team was better than our's. Weeden was about as seasoned as they come, literally. And on a bad team, he's making things exciting. -By comparison, our guy - while supremely gifted physically - was not seasoned at all. Only 19 college starts across two years after playing WR as we all know. He did some nice things in those 19 starts, but, let's face it - he is still very raw. And what do you know - as our starter this year, he's been very good at times, and quite bad in some other pockets, and average the rest of the time. Not to mention, of all the rookie QB's, he's got the least amount of talent around him, as we all know. When you consider this, the fact that Tannehill has played fairly well overall, and hasn't really regressed or become overwhelmed is encouraging. He keeps fighting, and is willing to learn, which is key. Guy has the right attitude to win too, which is evidenced by his diving for the first down (or trying) yesterday. Guy is ball's out ready to compete. But he's raw, and we're going to have to live w/ these growing pains. I'm not making excuses for yesterday, though. At the very least, he needed to hit those two deep passes to Hartline, especially the first one, which was as pitch-and-catch easy as they come. Just a little long there. The second throw was pitiful. Almost Sanchez-esque. But just the week before, kid was money at the most important time of the game, and brought us back for the win. The truth is, right now, that's who he is - he's inconsistent from week to week. And we have to live with it until he gets more experience, and we add more playmakers. I think in due time, hopefully sometime next year, and then taking off from there, Tannehill proves to be the best thing that has happened to this franchise since Dan Marino. At the very least folks, Tannehill's floor isn't that low. He's going to improve, and even if he doesn't prove to be a star, he'll be pretty good. I think the chances of him completely flopping from this point on are slim. That said, I'd like to see him have a solid four-game stretch to close out the year. Next week will be tough, but he should eat up (to some degree) the Jax and Buffalo defenses after that. And then he better have a good game against the Pats, who may be resting guys at that point. I'm patient, but I also do want to see some more of the good the rest of the way.
A few things I disagree with. First, counting Tannehill's 2nd game against the Jets where he got hurt in the 1st quarter. It should be omitted. 2nd, I disagree with some of the other good game/bad game counts . 3rd, you now setting the bar of "just a rookie" at comparable to one of, if not the greatest rookie QB class of all time. To think that bar will remain there for rookie QBs I think is unrealistic. 4th, the other QBs you are comparing him to had much more experience at the position. 5th, why are the other rookie QBs not being included in the comparison in regards to playing "like a rookie QB"? Where is Weeden? Where is Nick Foles? Where is Lindley?
That is who he is competing against. He'll be competing for championships against guys like RG3, Luck, etc. The reality is that guys like Nick Foles, Ryan Lindley, etc. will be failures and never come close to winning a title. Being better than those players isn't anything to celebrate.
Also, I know most people aren't paying attention to cleveland but Weeden has been really good the last 5 weeks or so.
He's been decent. They haven't scored more than 20 in 5-6 games. His YPA has been below 7yds for the most part as well. I wouldn't say he's been any better than Tannehill.
