14 for the Jets, nice to see a writer who actually gets it. They probably wont set the league on fire but it's probably the first time I've seen a writer admit that they upgraded the line this offseason. Think he pegged the Phins right too. Kinda like the Jets last season, a couple good players but the holes are a little to big to overcome at times.
His methodology is messed up. He says Vernon Carey is our best player, praises Samson Satele, praises Jake Long, says that Justin Smiley will be an upgrade...and then ranks us #29. This is one of those things where it wouldn't matter if we blew up the entire line and magically replaced them with pro bowlers, we're still not getting out of the bottom five. That's what a 1-15 record will do for you. The Dolphins' OL is right on par with the Jets'. Jake Long won't have to do much to prove better than D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Alan Faneca at his age the way he has played the last two years is an upgrade over Justin Smiley but not a ridiculous one. Samson Satele is very close to on par with Nick Mangold. Vernon Carey is significantly better than Damien Woody. Steve McKinney and Brandon Moore are a wash. The Jets have a significant advantage in Faneca/Smiley, a slight advantage in Mangold/Satele, while the Dolphins have a significant advantage in Carey/Woody, a slight advantage in Long/Ferguson, and the Moore/McKinney comparison is a wash. Both have brand new OL coaches. That makes them about even. And, if Prisco is correct in ranking the Jets at #14, then we in Miami should expect a middle-of-the-road OL.
I also can't stomach more than a couple lines from this windbag. Our line will prove to be better than 29th. That much I know for sure. They weren't that awful last year for parts of the season.
He puts us at 29 but puts the Jets at 14? I dont get that one... Our OL is our strong suit and if taken lightly by opposing teams, should dominate in 08. Take into effect our head coach, who Prisco must have forgotten, was the reason why he ranked Dallas #1 (doubt he even realized that), and we have an oline that is middle of the pack. I also think we get a bad rap with our OL no matter how good they are because our olines have stunk for the better portion of the 2000's. There are holes all over this whole list.. No way Detroit has a better line than we do.
I'm not really sure how you can say that you have an advantage with the Long/Ferguson comparison. Let the guy play an NFL down before you declare him better then....well anyone really. Big Jake could be a big bust in the NFL for all anyone knows at this point. That might not be likely, but he has no body of work in the NFL with which to compare him to any other player in the league. Not to mention Ferguson and Mangold's play will likely improve with Faneca playing between them. It's easy to overlook the influence that a proven winner/pro bowler/veteran can bring to a young OL. Pretty much ever article I've read so far states that Faneca is already assuming a leadership role on the line.
The fact that Ferguson is somewhat a bust for the Jets relative to where is was picked already puts Long ahead of him. He is decent in pass protection but hasnt shown any signs of dominance. In the 25 games he has played he is directly responsible for 15 sacks. Thats good for giving up a sack in 60% of the games he plays in. Not a good number to be at.
I'm not sure I entirely agree with those numbers, but I've seen them posted before elsewhere. Brick has shown flashes of dominance at times, others he has off games. Playing next to Adrian Clark can do that to you though. I won't argue it any further though, Long is your guy and most if not all of you will declare him the better player no matter what. I'll just leave it until the regular season to see who really has the better OL of the 2 teams.
Brick was a beast coming out. I remember him making Dlinemen look like fools at the senior bowl. Plus for us, we got guys who really know how to build a Oline. The Jets have our old Oline coach right? He wasn't bad by any means, but is he known for oline dominance?
Not positive but we might have canned the guy or he might have left. One of the other resident Jets fans probably knows for sure.
I actually conceded that to another poster on here. I also wasn't referring to Prisco as a guy who gets it overall, more of a guy that gets that the Jets improved their OL.
Pete Prisco doesn't get anything. He's just an idiot who writes smarmy garbage for the soul purpose of stirring the pot.
The Jets O Line coach is Bill Calahan. He is also the assistant head coach of the offense. Mike Devlin is assisant o line coach
Yah but it can take years to repair a Tony Wise mess. Dolphin fans know that. Every young guy they brought in he failed to groom and Todd Wade went from rookie of the year to Tony taking over and becoming pedestrian. Mangold/Brick's development I bet was severely stunted due to that fool.
Funny how many football writers fall into that exact category, especially when you don't like what they have to day. Prisco is a dope though. I've seen many a message board post that were not only analytically superior but much better crafted overall. I could say that about a lot of writers though.
I don't see how there's anything "likely" about Ferguson improving just because Faneca is there. Faneca's not going to block for the guy. Like I said, it's not so much about Jake Long being good, it's about the fact that it's not hard to outplay D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Ferguson is a woeful liability in run blocking and he hasn't even really come on in pass protection. He's probably among the worst 5 or 8 starting LTs in the NFL, at the moment. Whether he improves from here, who knows...but I wouldn't bank on it. If you asked 32 General Managers whether they'd take Jake Long or D'Brickashaw Ferguson for 2008 and only 2008, what do you suppose the results would be? I think 25 of them would say Jake Long.
Amen to that. I feel bad for Mangold. He's a stunner. Yet, he gets stuck with Tony Wise as his coach.
Keep in mind that the fans around here have hated Prisco for half a dozen years, at least. I'm not sure if you'd find a single regular on this board or FinHeaven that thinks Pete Prisco is a really good writer.
You should read armondo and coles crap. Most of it is just blatant drivel with no common sense at all
I don't know. You yourself said that Long has a "slight advantage" over the apparent walking liability known as D'brickashaw Ferguson. If thats the case then I guess Long sucks pretty bad too, and he's never even played a down. I won't even touch on the idea that lining a guy like Faneca up next to him won't improve him, his play, or the OL overall. Like I said, we'll just wait for the season to sort it all out.
Having Alan Faneca will improve the OL because Alan Faneca will block well. But I don't see how you could just assume that all of these players are just going to magically play better just because they're in close proximity to him. This is football, not World of Warcraft. And yeah, as a rookie, even with what he's shown and with all his physical ability, I wouldn't put Jake Long as much better than D'Brickashaw Ferguson.
Lost me with the World of Warcraft reference. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree though. I believe that a guy like Faneca can elevate the play of those around him, you don't. I'm cool with that.
