He played ok, but he gave up a critical TD when he had a bead on the ball the whole time, and I mean the whole time, terrible play..
I'm not afraid to admit that I think he can be the best ever, I thought he was the best college prospect I ever looked at, so..He's not doing anything to disprove the projection..
thats because he was playing with our pressure like it wasn't there..It was there, he just doesn't care, and he's a genius at maneuverability.
You could be right. I don't know how he will progress in his career. What I do know is where he is at right now. And he's far beyond where just about any rookie QB playing in the NFL right now was at a similar point. It's a real shame, because RT was good today. He played much better than you can expect a rookie QB to play. But all anyone will hear about is how good Andrew Luck was.
I think they need to spend all day tomorrow sending tape of play after play after play to the league demonstrating the non-call holding; and then demonstrating other bad calls on certain plays - that went against us.
If Luck did that against a dominate pass rush and secondary, then he'd be a nightmare. But that wasn't the case. He played amazing and our pass defense played the polar opposite of amazing.
Since nobody else will say this is it possible that some of the officials are corrupt ? if so maybe the dolphin fanbase should file a complaint with theleague office or havethe dolphins front office file a complaint. Ididnt get to see this game but the seattle vs vikings was officiated evenly but the cinci vs denver was called favoring Denver . this club seems to me has many people beleiving that we're better then what maybe we are. Mike Sherman was horible at play calling in the big12 just ask anyone that watches big 12 football. I used to have fun watching the dolphins when we had Welker, Chambers and Ricky and Ronnie, but in all honesty none of this roster really stands out to me but I do think Philbin is a good coach. I think its time to really ask ourselves are we really improving or are we buying into smoke and Mirrors . everyone was buying into Sparano and his teams got worse each year. if the dolphins are wanting to make the playoffs then they need to get higher quality players and Jeff Ireland has really done no better the the guys that many fans have critizize before. this is just my opinion and when i saw the team earlier i didnt see much offense so you can rip me all you want to but I am being honest here.
We would not be saying he was so great if we hadn't dropped 4 *#^ing picks.... Great skill set, yes, but he handed the game to both Smith and Dansby, and they choked.
What about this angle Fin, imo, that was top 3 best jobs of Qb'ing I have seen this year from all the elites.(Peyton's half at San Diego was special, Aaron Rodgers), and we lost by three, at their house..not sure we're gonna see that type of display again outside of Brady.
Well, on the plus side we all thought Tannehill could bring us back for the W or Tie, as good as MMoore was last yr in the 4th qtr he did not get it done. Philbin called out the Oline, as well he should have, for pass blocking like cow flop, and even then THill went for 290 with a bum knee. If we did not have so many FA's, good players like Starks and Fasano, I could almost take the hit of a bad year to reload. Egnew not seeing the field is disappointing.
Dan Marino? People forget how few INT's he threw. He hold's the record for lowest INT % for a rookie. A little over 2%. Hell, that's good for a veteran. And the highest QBR for a rookie, in an era where it was much harder to pass. Let's put the anointing oil away for now. i think Luck's going to be one of the best, don't get me wrong at all. I do. But let's see it first. It's a huge jump from where he is now, to having a season like Rodgers' or Brady or Manning's best seasons. He can definitely get there. I mean, if SS doesn't have hands of stone, he's throwing more INT's than TD's so far this year. Worse than Russell Wilson (and worse QBR and completion percentage as well).
Ironically our best pressure was with 3 man rushes because Luck would have to hold the ball longer. Wake's sack/strip was a 3 man rush...I think same with the one where he had Luck on his knees (not entirely sure). The reason I say we let Smith go is that Ireland isn't going to drop large FA money for 2 CB's. So why not upgrade from Smith with a better option since CB's seem to hit FA much more often then other positions. Unless we can get him to accept #2 money...but even then I'd rather find a #1 guy and make sure Richard Marshall is a #2 only when he's back from his injury. In an unrelated note: Brian Hartline had his 3rd 100 yard + game of the season. 8 games into the season and he's already beaten his career high yardage. Yet he's not good enough to be our #2? I think folks got too high an opinion of what #2 Wr's do in this league.
It's impossible to defend the secondary afer it took up where it left off last year in terms of leaving interceptions on the ground. Broken-up passes are good plays, but interceptions are game-changers, and our defensive backs seem to be incapable of getting in position for them or holding onto them. We still need a cover corner and a free safety.
I was speaking about current NFL QBs. Not one of them looked even remotely close in their rookie years to what Andrew Luck looks like now.
I don't think you can call that an elite performance when you score only 23 pts. Yards are important, they are not more important than pts though. Our pass defense was bad and the stats back that up. Luck played great and the stats back that up. Luck did not play like a legend and the stats back that up too. We dropped 3 ints. That fact they weren't caught is not on Luck, its on our ineptitude. Luck's numbers would look way different if our pass defense hadn't been inept. Hell his number wouldn't look like that had we gotten any of a half dozen legit holding calls.
He's not playing like himself, but I get the feeling people do not understand how difficult it is to find a capable left tackle. Most fans will croak if Miami uses a first round pick on a Luke Joeckel or a Jason Matthews, but that's what it is going to take to get a strong left tackle. Fans also have a short memory, and I think what this team went through between Richmond Webb and Jake Long at left tackle has largely been forgotten about. This isn't the wide receiver position where you can just plug and play. This is one of the more critical positions on the team.
I think it is pretty clear that this is a better run defense than pass defense at this point. Unfortunately, run defense isn't what wins in the NFL today. Pass defense is. Two things I have harped on since last year are our defensive backs ability to find the ball in the air, and our inability to generate pressure without bringing extra rushers. The defense still needs some work.
Oh, to add, I think we may have seen the first game of a great rivalry that could brew between Tannehill and Luck. In the long run, Tannehill, Luck, and Griffin may have a similar success track as Manning, Rivers, and Roethlisberger. IMO, this is clearly the best quarterback crop since 2003 when those guys were drafted.
It was clearly a frustrating loss, and some players didn't play as well as we expect. But the colts had added emotion (their huddle break all year is Chuck, and he returned to see them play since his treatment yesterday), play extremely well at home and we lost by 3. We lost by three when a rookie qb broke the record for the most yards ever in a game by a rookie. If Tannehill throws for 475 yards in any of the remaining games, i would expect a W. If there were some holdings calls on their oline called early, maybe their OLine doesn't hook later on, maybe we get Luck under more pressure and maybe the DB's make some plays or at least force some more punt situations. Good to see Tannehill step in and play very well. Dissapointing last drive but he's a rookie, on the road. Good learning experience for him to be in that situation. I expect he gets better at it next time around. It was a tough one to lose, but i still think this team has enough talent to win enough to get into the playoffs. The bills and Jets are weak, the Pats are the big test. or via the wildcard. But there are a suprinsing number of mediocre teams in the AFC this year. Outside of Houston, most teams have shown flashes but also shown considerable weaknesses through week 9.
Totally agree, Hartline is an amazing #2. With him on the outside with a LEGIT #1 (Bowe, Wallace etc.) and Bess in the slot, we are SCARY.
Why didn't Philbin throw the challange flag when it looked like Luck was sacked. To me it looked like Luck's knee was on the ground before the ball was out of his hand.
This is thread worthy, to be in the conversation with Luck is comforting..Time for him to take the physical science of the job to another level.
The frustrating thing is that despite all that Luck did and how poorly they covered, the D still had plays to make. They force 2 fumbles and recover none. 2 INTs dropped and 2 deep passes completed against what should have been perfect coverage in position for an INT or deflection
I thought the same live. But can you find a picture where the ball is still in his hand? But judging from Maynard's link it needs to be more than the ankle.
The horrid manner the game was reffed made me feel like I was watching a professional wrestling match where the outcome was already predetermined.
Perhaps refs think Cam is so good that they feel bad for opposing tackles, and that the holding creates a fairer playing field.
Most of the calls aside from the punt return block at the end were actually good. For all the times that Wake's guy was not getting called for holding, Jake had a blatant hold that wasn't called either. It wasn't the refs that lost this game. It was a porous pass D and an offense that couldn't get anything going in the second half.
The punt return penalty was a big one and killed the momentum of the play. The missed holding call on Wake [when he was hooked while coming up the middle and in position to make a play] during Wayne's TD over the middle on 3rd & 9 was huge! That cost us 4 points. There's no excuse for that. The farting around they did during our final drive that basically halted the game while we seemed to be in rhythm was BS. Did Jake's missed holding call result in a TD? Didn't we have a non-hold that was called as a hold?
