Trade Deadline November 1st (REVISED) Speculation Thread

Dwight Freeney? I think he could be an option too but Indy continues to remain in the hunt so who knows.

 

I like your thinking about picking up one of the Eagles DE's, other than a pass rush threat getting some value from Matt Moore would be a move especially since his value might be at it's possible highest. WR and CB I see them waiting until next off-season to address.

 

Trade Deadline October 30th Speculation Thread

As someone who lives in Charlotte and watches/hears/sees Greg hardy every week, we DON'T want to trade for him.

 

Yeah no to Greg Hardy either... He does nothing for us and frankly I don't see a reason to add to the already deep awesome defensive line. I mean Vernon is really coming on and Kheeston Randall and Tony McDaniel filled in nicely.

 

Jason Pierre Paul's stock has to be way down. He seemed weak on that dunk after his pick 6. The Giants may want to move him for someone with more elevation.

 

KC could move Bowe, Moeaki, Flowers, or anyone else of value. That team is terrible but has some players.
Oakland maybe moves a DHB?
Could see a St Louis moving Jackson as rumored...?
Could see Jacksonville dealing Lewis or Rashean Mathis.

 

Flowers would be interesting...we do still meet Tom Brady twice.

Doubt any of the WRs could learn the terminology fast enough to merit a pick.

 

Tebow to Jacksonville for a 5th round pick.

 

I am not advocating or saying who should be acquired, or who we could trade for acquiring more draft picks, etc.

I am simply of the mindset, if any trades happen I can understand where the FO is coming from.

But the feeling right now I get a vibe of is that this NFL trade deadline will come and pass without much interest from any team.

 

Bowe was franchise tagged. Trading for him is a bad idea; we wouldn't be able to re-sign him until free agency begins. Just let him become an FA, then sign him if we want him.

Do not want.

This team should look for DBs and WRs. Supposedly the Dolphins tried to trade for Jeremy Maclin in the preseason. Might be worth another look, maybe the Eagles will sell low on him.

 

After seeing what we got out of the last draft am I the only one who want's to hoard all the picks we can? I wouldn't be unhappy if we made no moves unless it was a great move, or something we couldn't pass up.

 

If all it costs you is a late round pick to rent bowe, take a chance imo. Marcedes Lewis would also help deepen us at TE cause if anything happens to Fasano there we are so screwed there. We have squat at TE after Fasano

Agree the Eagles could be a good partner if they will deal Maclin but he would likely cost more then Bowe since Maclin still has a few years on his deal. IMO theyre more likley to deal Brandon Graham

 

Tebow is not getting traded.
He will be the Jest starting QB after their bye.

 

I loved flowers game comin out Of college, and still do..With Nolan and Jimmy playin well, Marshall gettin healthy, idk at this point..I think we just keep our resources.

I think the position in demand is 2nd tight end..we're getting nothing there..I just can't believe Egnew can't see the field over clay.

 

Dwayne Bowe is the only person I'd trade for right now, and even then, only for the right price (3rd rounder)

 

I'm just happy nobody mentioned Deangelo Williams.

 

I'd be shocked to see us land Bowe.

 

We are a better team without Bowe, than we are with, because we are a better team without Marshall than we are with...because they are the same.

 

How do you figure they are the same? They dont have the same DNA that Im aware of? So every WR who ever had a bit of attitude is the same? I guess we can eliminate half of all the wr's in the league and most of the ones that will come out then?

We need to add size to this wr corps and he's the player most likely to be available.

 

They are both overrated with nearly identical stats last year and they both have attitude issues.

At some point, you Bowe/Marshall lovers will realize we need a different kind of receiver. Hell most of you guys have been wrong about Ireland, Philbin, Tannehill, Hartline, the talent overall on this team (or various combinations of those)....and yet...you still pine for Bowe.

We have a winning record, are 2nd in the division, 5th seed, and have already played some tough teams....all without Bowe/Marshall. Those guys will not flourish on our team first offense. It is against their nature.

It is time to let it go. Move on. Enjoy the ride. And wait for homegrown players, coached right from day one.

 

If we got Flowers, that would lock up our CB spot for the next 7 years or so assuming we re-sign Smith, which all signs point to. We'd have a boat load of picks left that I'd like us to use on WR's, Safeties, and pass rush. By Wide receiver, I mean Marqise Lee. Holy hell he's a stud.

 

Bowe and Marshall are NOTHING alike. Marshall has been in constant off the field trouble. Bowe one time got suspended 4 games for a diuretic in 2009. Marshall's made constant noise, every year there is something with that dude, many of the incidents serious and borderline criminal in nature and I can understand not wanting players like that around. Heck I applauded Ireland dumping him so Im certainly not advocating getting an equal headache. Bowe may pout a little like most wr's do when he wants the balls but the reason wr's do that is because they are entirely dependent on a Qb getting them the ball to make any impact in the game. I dont want headaches on this team and Bowe is not one. Your analysis is spot on with regards to homegrown players but if the price is right for a late round pick why not? Im not advocating a 2nd or 3rd rounder when the guy is an impending FA that cant discuss a contract extension until years end as a tagged player. Once in a while you have to look to FA/trades for help.

 

Marshall is a much better WR than Bowe.....

Bowe isn't worth the cost of a rental.

 

Depends on the severity of the injury to Tannehill.

 

I doubt Irish wants to pick up Flowers' crazy $8,000,000 salary.

 

Why not? I say "why?"

Pouty players will get eaten alive by this coaching staff. Its not worth it. He will not impact the team positively. We have looked to FA/trades for help, Bush, Gaffney, Fasano, Burnett, Dansby, Incognito, Starks, McD, R. Marshall, etc. that is enough. It is time to grow our own. That's the only thing left before the franchise's transformation is complete. Whatever our record is this year is gravy.

 

He is only a sophomore. The WR class next year appears to be one for the ages.

 

Eh Marshall is minimally better, if at all then Bowe and Bowe is much less of a headache.

2010: 72/1162/15TD
2011: 81/1159/5TD
2012: 34/427/3TD

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10467/dwayne-bowe

Marshall: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9705/brandon-marshall
2010: 86/1014/3TD
2011: 81/1214/6TD
2012: 41/577/4TD

Bowe has higher YPC in recent history and is definitely more consistent. Marshall stats are spiking this year with Cutler back there because he forces the ball Marshall's way and Bowe is getting terrible QB play (Cassel in on the chopping block and Quinn got concussed today). Theres a minimal difference either way.

 

Based on production or speculation and hope?

 

Owners and GM's dont think this way as noble as it may be. They see a chance for the playoffs and playoff revenue they are going to pursue it if the cost is not insane in terms of mortgaging the future. If it costs you a 5th round pick I find it insane that anyone wouldnt take that chance since we already have the most picks in the 2012 draft and can easily recoup a 5th by simply sliding down a bit in round 2.

 

Not true. You are falling into the FA trap. Its nothing to be embarrassed about, it even happened to Shula.

I just find it odd, that when you guys thought we were a horrible team, we were told we needed Bowe to be competitive!!!!!!!!!!! Now that its obvious we are a good team, the mantra is still we need Bowe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not every player with stats is right for the team. Bowe falls into that category.

Besides, if we keep winning, the owner will be happy. I don't think Ross believes the difference between a sellout and a half full stadium is Bowe.

Look at this season with our WRs like this: Pretend it is like swinging a bat with weights on it.

 

I couldn't have said it better. Our team has chemistry right now. How long will it take to get Bowe integrated into the offense? He would need to learn the play book and start from square 1 just like Gaffney. I just don't believe in sinking that much $$ in the wr spot unless it's a Calvin Johnson type player. Let's face it Bowe is no Megatron. We need to re-sign our core players and maybe go after 1 impact FA this offseason. Otherwise this team needs to build thru the draft!!!!

 

Hes not an FA right now and there is no long term commitment. Im not falling in to any trap. If he doesnt fit you let him walk. You let him adjust to the offense as needed. We have the Pats left, they cant defend the pass. We have the Titans and Bills left who dont defend the pass. We have the Seahawks left who defend the pass well and we will need someone who can go up against the best set of CB's in the league.
They were 24th in the redzone last year and Bowe is one of the top guys in the league with running fades.

Also with regards to empty stats the stats say otherwise:
2011 IN WINS/TIES 36 564 15.7 3
2011 IN LOSSES 45 595 13.2 2
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/10467/year/2011/dwayne-bowe
2010 IN WINS/TIES 40 701 17.5 10
2010 IN LOSSES 32 461 14.4 5
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/10467/year/2010/dwayne-bowe

And to take it 1 step further KC won their division in 2010. Not by coincidence that was Bowe's best year.
In games KC won by a FINAL MARGIN of 0-7 19 245 12.9 42 4
In games KC won by a FINAL MARGIN of 8-14 4 86 21.5 28 0
In games KC won by a FINAL MARGIN of 15+ 49 831 17.0 75 11

So basically theres a direct correlation between what he did and how the team performed in offensive output. Crennel had their ear, he got the message and the results were clear. Imagine what Philbin could do. The players quit on Crennel there last year and theyre showing signs of doing the same thing this year.

 

Ok. You're from the school of thought that says any WR with decent stats can plugged into this team and we'd be instant contenders. I am not. The best teams in the league year in and year out (NYG, GB, Pit) generally agree with one of us.

 

Lees a Sophmore, Sammy is too, two best receivers can't come out...sucks...Keenan Allen, Eifert, Jarvis are a real nice group of players, Were gonna improve the talent base this offseason, we have the resources, combine that with the development were seeing, Nice looking direction..

I heard something about Tracy porter maybe being affected by the altitude, good player..but like I said, you gotta let these young ins keep playing together...Don't forget about Jennings and Finley, that connection angle we have have thru scheme, personnel and coaching is real interesting.

 

Stop talking out your butt. We've essentially had 2 receivers all year. If you think Bowe isn't an upgrade over the newly acquired Gaffney and isn't worthy of a mid round pick then you should submit your resume as an extra for the remake of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.