My fellow Ireland haters, we must convene the grand council and ask for forgiveness.

What do you mean we'll never know? He directly said it, himself. It's not hearsay. It's straight from his mouth. Give me a friggin break.

Given what circumstances? The circumstances that you seemingly know NOTHING about? Did you even watch Tannehill play in 2010 or are you conveniently drawing assumptions b/c it was his first year starting at QB and b/c it supports your distaste of Ireland? I mean, it couldn't have been b/c this 1st year starting QB [who recently spent time at WR] had suddenly reeled off 6 straight wins including Oklahoma, Nebraska, and at Texas, and looked like a future star during his first 3 games, could it? What do you think, his outstanding natural talent miraculously appeared during his senior year? Like I said, gimme a break.

 

I'd have to say one of those 4 options you suggested would be the only way for Raf to know that for sure. And I don't remember these posts. Was he stating it as if he knew. Or was he stating his opinions and speculation on what he thought Ireland was thinking.

Are you suggesting it was common knowledge or it was "put out there" that Ireland was high on Tannehill in August 2011 before he actually came out and stated it after the 2012 draft?

And the circumstances were that Ryan Tannehill had like 6 starts under his belt in August 2011.

 

Wow, this has gotten beyone out of hand.

So we have to believe everything everyone says nowadays?

 

Question: Does weaksauce go good with crow?.... or is that like adding ketchup to a good steak?

 

But if it were something that incriminated Ireland you'd believe it, right.

 

Wait, so you haven't read my last like 60 posts where I've lauded Ireland and admitted being wrong on some of his decisions?

 

Look man, he said that Ireland had been really impressed with Tannehill, when they went to A&M to scout other players. I'm fairly certain he read it.

Regardless, you've been given evidence that your stance is wrong and you've given exact zero evidence to back up that stance. Which tells me you aren't using the same burden of proof on your own opinion as you are to what others are telling you.

 

Seriously? What non-idiotic GM would tip his hand on the guy he covets before the draft rolls around?

yeah, 6 impressive wins in a row.

 

This is 100% correct. There is much more evidence to support that Ireland was in fact "high" on Tannehill in August of 2011. Like the fact that Ireland actually said it.

I have 0 evidence that he was not enamored with RT. But, in this case it's what I believe.

But Front Office figures and coaches say things in the media all the time that are just blatant lies. A quick example would be this:

That's Ross talking about Sparano in October 2011 after seeking out Harbaugh, being winless, and about 7 weeks prior to firing him.

 

So what you're saying is I shouldn't be believing anything you're saying right now? FWIW, I was already doing that anyways.

 

Why are you arguing about it then?

I simply don't believe he was enamored with Tannehill in August 2011. And nowhere in any of my posts on the topic have I tried to convince you or anyone else really to believe me.

 

Sigh.

So what is the point of you arguing about you believe with people who are arguing facts? I just don't understand that.

 

Guys, I really didn't argue here. Please re-read the past 2 pages. I stated my opinion and asked about what Raf's stance was as I was genuinely curious.

This can't be considered arguing, can it? This was my post in response to your answer on Raf's stance:

 

If you have a link dated before Philbin was hired that confirms Ireland had any interest in Tannehill by all means post it.

 

Aww, poor Francis took abuse? So did I. So do I. I'm arguing about celebrating .500 with a guy who doesn't even watch the games. Point blank, you're wrong in your summation. I never said we'd be drafting in the top spot. The argument is almost always about our personnel, our players, which is Irish's job. Thats what the whole Irish debate is about. You wanna cash in your chips at 3-3? Good for you, Irish and Francis did it!!! Week 6 moral champions. If we had better players, some players we had, we'd be even better. It's plain as day though, guys are being coached up. 3rd and 4th year guys who couldn't play before. Guys who step up in 11-5 years, and fade away in 6-10 years.

It's pretty simple. Win, and I'll be happy. .500 with a +3 point differential doesn't do it for me. "Hooray, we don't suck" is your standard, not mine.
7-9, 7-9, 6-10...and then if we go 8-8 this year, you're gonna call ME wrong? THAT is weak sauce Francis. THAT is a loser's standard.

 

LOL!

So we both provide articles proving Ireland said he liked Tannehill in August and December, rated him a first round pick off his Junior tape alone, and personally went to watch him play, but you still won't believe it because it was posted in April? That's nonsense. It could have been written yesterday, it doesn't matter. You asked for proof that he had interest in Tannehill before Philbi arrived, and we proved it. Philbin arrived January 20. Ireland clearly stated he liked Tannehill in August and December.

As for the Brandt quote, give me a break. Ireland doesn't tip his hand when it comes to the draft. You're reaching.

 

A link I provided states Ireland went to one of his games to watch him play.

 

The crux is really obvious. You can't compare a GM with a head coach and expect reality. It is just a dumb argument.

 

too early for this thread imo as it stands I would still fire him at the end of the season the massive hole at the wr pos makes us non contenders. I also dont want to hear the Hartline hype guy still vanishes in games all the time hes so overrated on these boards. I do think Misi and Carroll are playing pretty well this year though its a decent turn around for those 2.

 

Right on Brah.

 

I would still love to hear more about the Ireland hatred. It is something I don't really care about.
You do know at the end of the weekend we will be 1/2 a game up in the division.

 

Anonymous, don't you know coach Philbin was moonlighting as Miami's head scout while working in Green Bay, and then when he arrived in Miami he ditched his head coaching job and its multitude of painstaking, time-consuming hours of responsibility in order scout players for Ireland so that Jeff could go fishing? Cmon man. How can you ignore this blatantly obvious common sense?

 

LOL. That's not hypocritical. Too early for this thread but not too early to determine the fate of the season and our GM, eh?

 

There were people that wanted Ireland to be fired before the draft.

 

It really is, I thought we'd pick Top 5 with THill playing all yr, he's exceeded early expectations but keep in mind this offense is not very powerful atm so he's sort of not really a finished product as of yet.

Give it 4-5 more games as right now the D and ST are more or less carrying us.

 

Own up please. I'll be short with it all. You hated the Tannehill pick.

 

Not much, thought the team could win this yr with a Vet Qb like Moore or Garrard but we lacked playmakers.

Either way, he'll be here for the next decade so I'll have to get used to it.

The only guy we have who can legitimately score whenever he touches the ball is Reggie Bush, and I suspect he'll run really hard vs the Jest after that BS they pulled in trying to injure him.

 

Vinny, does this mean you'll be firing yourself?

 

Quite the conundrum.


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Looks like another "Ireland" thread in full swing, with the same combatants and the same issues, and still with no systematic objective comparison of Ireland to other GMs to go on.

By the time the next Dolphins game starts, this thread will have over 250 posts and we'll still be in the same spot. At that point you could merge it with the other "Ireland" threads for one giant Ireland "mega-thread" with over a thousand posts and the same level of substance.

 

/end thread.

 

I feel confident in saying that we could win five Super Bowls in a row with Ireland as GM and people would still call for him to be fired just because they have already become so entrenched in that mind set and are too stubborn to admit they could have been wrong.

 

And I feel confident we could have 5 seasons under .500 (we're over halfway there already) and some people would want to keep Ireland for the same reasons you gave. Same difference.

 

Right now we're a good team with one glaring weakness. If we can keep the guys we have and that one area gets fixed, we're a 9-10 win team, easy. Fortunately, we have the draft picks and cap space to fix/upgrade talent at several positions so I don't think we'll get a chance to test your theory.

 

Is there any ounce of proof anywhere that it was Philbin's idea and Ireland wanted to go in another direction? Didn't think so. We have Ireland stating it well before we knew how good Tannehill was going to be this year, but somehow that isn't good enough.

Do you honestly believe that the HC wanted RT, but the GM didn't and the HC somehow overruled him despite the fact that the GM has final say? I'm sorry, but that's a pretty ridiculous statement.

And by the way, there was talk around here in the Club Level before the college season even ended that Ireland was high on Tannehill. KB mentioned it a few times. But considering there isn't a time stamped official document quoting Ireland I'm assuming that isn't good enough.

 

Preposterous. I'd buy the chisels for the statue that should be erected for him.

But did he win 5 Super Bowls or are we hovering in the middle of the pack again.

Conversely, I wonder how many years of mediocrity people will settle for?

And honestly, I hope im wrong about Irish. I just want the players that forge a dominant team.


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It's been mentioned before how Tannehill doesn't fit Parcells' special jolly good blueprint for 1st round QBs. So, had the Tuna still been hovering around with an iron fist, and jiggly man boobs, RT17 may well be playing elsewhere right now.

 

Wasn't there a direct quote from McCoy?

 

Ireland claims he watched every Tannehill game in 2010. I see no reason not to believe him. IMO, Tannehill actually played better in 2010 after the mid season switch, than he did in 2011. So I could see how his leading TAMU on that late win streak could have piqued Ireland's interest.