I'm wondering: do they give registered sex offenders a plaque of recognition or something? an ID badge or certificate?
Agreed to an extent. If it its something like Moore and a 5th we should get him now. If its more like a 2nd, wait til the offseason and just sign him with a chunk of the 50M in cap space we will have.
Do it! Do it now! He's the best available WR who is also the best red zone threat which is exactly what we need. Like I said, Do it! Do it now!
I'm with CK on this one. I don't necessarily believe it. And if it is true, I'm not sure I agree with it. Dwayne Bowe is talented... Guy could be a stud. Has all the physical talent in the world. However, the attitude and work ethic questions are big. How true are they? I don't know. I don't follow Kansas City football. I also know that Todd Haley is a wacko and it's hard to say whether or not he created personality problems... That said, if you trade for Bowe, you're committing a long term investment into him. Considering how Brandon Marshall turned out, I'm skeptical. You can't afford to bring in guys for picks and give them big contracts if they have question marks. It's one step forward and two steps backwards. If Bowe is your choice, you gotta vet him inside and out. I hope Ireland has learned from his mistake. In the end, if we can get a Reggie Bush trade out of KC (low round pick) then it's worth a shot, I guess. Honestly, it would of been much nicer if this happened (a trade for a WR) right after the Chad Johnson debacle. No matter who we get, it's hard to say what there impact will be THIS season. We're already 6 games into the year. These WR (Gaffney included) have to develop chemistry with their offenses, QB, and learn a new system with new terminology. It's hard enough to do that all in one off-season (with everyone learning at a much slower pace), nevermind in the middle of the season when everyone else is full speed ahead. I'm not terribly excited one way or the other for that reason. I think it's too little too late for any huge impact this year. A guy like Bowe could be useful in some situations (RZ) given his physical prowess, but as a legitimate #1? That'll take time... If we're shopping for a WR, I'm curious what's going on with Mike Wallace... Is he still available? What is the price again? It was speculated to be a third, right? Money-wise, both these guys want to be paid big...
Well, except your view on the Marlins payroll. But what were you right about? I didn't get a chance to see your prediction.
So I take it you're going to refute the posters outlining his character concerns with facts and empirical evidence?
Not in favor of this move if it were true. Or Mike Wallace for that matter. I think Gaffney, Bess, and Hartline is sufficient enough.
If you want an ok offense that is only ok because we (finally!) have a good coach? Then yes. Otherwise no way.
I get the feeling some people here would have called for us to trade Duper and Clayton if we were in a different era.
Adding Bowe or Wallace won't change that. Trading multiple picks plus the contract extension won't be worth it for either player. The best thing to do would be to stay pat, then address that area in the draft.
I honestly can't answer but it reminds me of everyone's concern about starting rookie QB's in thier 1st year in the NFL. That hardly ever had a high success rate and look whats happening now. Just my thoughts. Its a differnt NFL, you never reallly know what will be successful until its tried with conviction. IMO
Why is it the best thing to do? Saying it's so doesn't make it so. The best thing to do is both. Get a WR via trade (if the compensation is right) or wait till FA next season and sign a WR. Then take one of our top three picks (preferably a 2nd rounder, since the need is lessened because we acquired a WR prior to the draft)) and draft another WR. We get immediate help at the position, giving Tanny and our offense a chance to grow and be successful in the present, as well as setting up for the future. If the FA/TRADE doesn't live up to the hype, we have a kid developing behind him. Which is another important issue. It takes WR time to develop. Are we seriously going to wait 2-3 years to let a drafted rookie develop into a true #1? What does that mean for Tannehill? What if the drafted WR busts? What do we do then? Restart the same process while Tanny flounders with mediocre talent surrounding him? How is that strategy working out for Sam Bradford? 1st pick overall, ton of money invested in him, and the team hasn't done a thing to help him in three years. Now look at what Atlanta has done for Matt Ryan. Singing FA turner, trading for Gonzo, and drafting Jones. One team is competing for championships the other is picking top 5 every year. We drafted the franchise QB for a reason. We're starting a rookie franchise QB for a reason. You don't draft Tannehill and not surround his *** with weapons. That's not how the NFL works today. Draft franchise QB + Acquire playmakers = profit.
I stated my reasons in that post. If the compensation is right, you make the trade. Realistically, it will be too high. Same through free agency. It's not worth the price rage to sign a player like Bowe or Wallace, IMO. Teams like Green Bay and Philadelphia didn't acquire their receivers through FA or trade. They drafted them. We should follow the same path.
Sorry to burst your bubble folks but it's not going to happen. A) Would require a first round pick right now. They can let him walk after the season and get a 3rd round comp in 2014. At the very least I doubt they couldn't get at least a 2nd and a 4th for him from someone. Not going to happen. B) Would require a large paycheck to Bowe.......we don't have the cap room right now. C) Ireland isn't going down that road again after the Marshall burn. D) At best if there is the 'right' guy on the FA market they might go after him. I can't see any draft picks involved. What I would do is let Hartline walk after the season and let some team overpay him (go for the comp pick unless he's willing to take a Bess like deal), Keep Bess on his relatively small deal. Target a WR on the FA market whose got some ability to score in the red zone and then double dip WR in the draft (One before the end of the 2nd and a mid round guy). And then focus on other big problems on offense like a seam catching TE and upgrading both guards.
I'm not up for adding Bowe. This team is not yet at the point where you can sacrifice a bit of what you're trying to develop in terms of a team culture (i.e., professionalism and hard work) to obtain a player who can help physically. At this point in the team's development, IMO you continue to develop the team culture. This team is no one player away from doing anything special.
The word lazy is used a bit loosely a lot of times. You can probably make a solid case for the guy not being the most professional, but that's a long way from lazy, especially given his production on some bad Chiefs teams.
Hi draft picks are a must for this coaching staff, we need our kind of talent to mold, stick with Gafney, develope Matthews.. If your a good Gm then you can find what your looking for in the draft. I'm not against signing a receiver in the offseason, take a hard look at the free agents, see if there is a player that has the right makeup, match up your draft and go from there.
Little off topic here but has anyone seen Terrell Suggs, lol, Greater freakin player but that dude put on 30lbs..wow..
The laziest player in the NFL maybe more active than anyone here but that doesn't mean his work level is NFL worthy...ergo he can be lazy in terms of the NFL, which is all anyone is referring to.
Agreed. I HOPE the days of big FA chasing are over. I HOPE any FAs are minor signings for depth or sweet deals like Reggie. Let's grow our own talent, like the Steelers, the Giants & the Packers do.
the correct answer is, yes we need a wide receiver... no we won't be trading for one this year. Look at how long it's taken Armstrong and Gaffney to make impacts. Yeah, I'm still waiting just like you. The issue is that if you add a receiver at this point in the season, he'll have minimal impact. That's historically been proven correct.
complicated? the front office will figure it out. I'd rather see them develop what we've got in the stable& draft the prospect. what ever happened to 7/11?
Why? The reports are there. The evidence is there. Is it because he puts up ok numbers? If so, that makes your argument worse.*
as to why Gaffney hasn't been involved yet... speaking to the point I just made: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-the-verge-of-making-an-impact-for-dolphins/ So that's why IMO we won't be adding another WR via trade this year. Teams are going to be overvaluing the wide outs they have (see GB wanting a 2nd for Jones)... and we on't be getting the value out of that player this year. We're dancing with what we've got.
I think maybe you could've made that case early in his career, but not anymore. I think people are going off of things that were written two and three years ago.