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To The World We are Average....

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ExplosionsInDaSky, Oct 16, 2012.

  1. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    According to the "experts" we are an average team. Rodney Harrison who I can't stand said it the other night. ESPN radio Mike and Mike, Colin Cowherd, Mike Lupica they all say it. We are either average at best or flat out bad at worst.
    I'm not going to lie I see a team that is overachieving right now. I don't even see a playoff team much less elite but there is "elite" talent at certain positions. Things seem eerily similar to every other Dolphin team we have had since 2000. The one difference is that we have Ryan Tannehill giving us hope at a position that has been rather dormant since the departure of Marino.

    my question is are the so called experts right? Many had us pegged as a bottom dwelling team this year yet we sit in a four way tie in our division at 3-3. We have competed to the very end in every game and could easily be 5-1 right now. I guess i'm just confused about this team and that isn't a foreign feeling. This team has been fools gold and black coal many many different times. I'm hoping that Ryan Tannehill isn't fools gold. I'm hoping that we can defy the odds. I'm hoping for the playoffs...Is that too much to ask? If we did make the playoffs would we be one of the teams that shouldn't be there like in 2008?

    Thoughts? Are we playing above expectations? Are we just average? Can we get in the playoffs?
     
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  2. flounder97

    flounder97 Well-Known Member

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    I think it's fair to say we are playing above expectation. Seeing how we were expected to be terrible, being called average is almost a compliment.
     
  3. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    3/4 of the league is average, don't think we belong in the upper 1/4.
     
  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I think average is better than what most experts thought Miami was going to be. Looking at most power rankings before the season, Miami was generally 30th or below.
     
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  5. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    Why care what the national media says?
     
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  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The problem is you're holding this team responsible for what past teams have done. The changes have been so drastic and significant that last year's team has nothing to do with this year's team.

    I've said we were at least an 8-8 team since before TC and many people on here can vouch for that. I say that not to gloat or say anything about me, but because we were an 8-8 team last year and the year before, its just we had poor coaching and QB play so the record didn't reflect what we were.

    What is happening now is that we are being coached properly. We are getting solid QB play. When the QB play goes from solid to Top 6 or 7, we will be contenders. Until then we are achieving what we should have been all along based on the talent at every position other than QB...average. Now we may end up better than 8-8 but that will be because either both or one of coaching or QB play goes from solid to exceptional this year. While that's great, it is also not indicative of us being better than 8-8 team talent-wise...just look at our 11-5 season. The coaching was better than poor and Penny/WildCat combined for exceptional QB play. So we over achieved and bowed out quickly because we were 8-8 team with good coaching and exceptional QB play.

    Disclaimer 1: I don't mean every player we have is average, I mean the net effect of all our players outside QB equals average.
     
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  7. mracer

    mracer New Member

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    We're 3-3. By definition..we're average. There's isn't much separating an average team to a playoff team in the NFL.
     
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  8. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Well IMO, these so called "experts" are nothing more than professional guessers and speculators. No one can foretell the future, so the best you can do is either guess based on nothing but bias and gut in the worst cases, or prognosticate and speculate based on statistics and history in the best cases.

    We are better than the "experts" predicted, mainly because they did not factor, or simply chose to undervalue, the positive effect of our coaches and our rookie QB. Outside of those two units, we have good talent, and mediocre talent, and in the end, it balances out and comes out as average. We need to replace that mediocre talent so that the net talent comes out at good, or great, instead of average.
     
  9. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    I'm with you. Screw them, we need to just stay focused and concentrate on the next game.....win it and the compliments and accolades will come.
     
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  10. Califin

    Califin Well-Known Member

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    While its great to be optomistic, it certainly would not be unwise to be equally objective.

    Altering world views, generally require proof, well beyond reasonable doubt.
     
  11. shouright

    shouright Banned

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  12. P h i N s A N i T y

    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    Rodney was referring to the patriots. He mentioned after the game in Seattle that "all AFC East teams are now 3-3 and all of them are average"........giving a disappointed 'ya know what i mean?' look.

    Secondly, average is a step in the right direction for this franchise. :knucks:

    I think we are a promising young team with Tannehill. The schedule this year opens the door for an opportunity to play over our heads and really make a splash. I see us being in contention in the final weeks and that is as much as we could have hoped for.
     
  13. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    average until they have to play us :deadhorse:
    the Dolphins are no journeymen, they are an up & coming prospect
    every game is a war & another step forward for Miami
     
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  14. Berezo

    Berezo Well-Known Member

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    We are performing above expectations and we are just an average team. The record says it all. Even if we were 5-1 (which was highly possible), we would still be an average team. Most people aren't giving the Falcons the benefit of the doubt and they are 6-0. A lot of it has to do with the media hyping specific franchises and tending to lean on teams that they think are worthy.
     
  15. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    If we win the rest of our division games we can be a little above average.
     
  16. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The thing is, we aren't really performing that much above expectations at this point. Maybe the expectations that those of you had based on subjective factors, but the expectations of this team based on objective factors was actually higher.

    Based on pythagorean win totals, Miami was projected to have something like 8.3 wins at the start of the season. Right now, they are projected to have 8.7 wins. That's not a lot of statistical variance.
     
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  17. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    We were below average last season, so I don't mind.
     
  18. Aquafin

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    well I will tell tell why I think its important in a very small degree, and that is when outsiders saw how horible we were under the the idiot Sporano several dolphin fans refused to see the ugly truth but all other fans, media and even former dolphin players saw how bad we were at defensive end , cornerback and wide receiver. which means I trust those people who know over dolphin fans who refuse to see the truth.


    we have no receivers or running backs that scare anyone anyone . thats why we should care . why we shouldnt is that Miami wont win for losing , at least not while we are still in the afc east division ( or should i say the Tom Brady division) .
     
  19. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    As of right now, we're both average, and playing above expectations.
     
  20. jsizzle

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    In MY world we are super awesome!! :up:
     
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  21. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Will be interesting to see how Miami does from here on out.

    They lost by a small margin to the Jets and Cards, won by a small margin against the Bengals and Rams, won handily against the Raiders who were placed in a bad situation, and lost handily to the Texans who were just the superior football team.

    That seems average. The problem is I see New England (especially by the time we play them which won't be until December) as a superior football team, as is San Francisco. Jacksonville seems like an inferior team (especially by the time we play them as I view them to be arrow-down). The other six games on the schedule seem like the same 50/50 type outcomes as the Jets, Cardinals, Bengals and Rams games.

    Looking at the particulars of the scheduling for those six games, we're not catching many breaks. We have three at home and three away. Home heat will have no more effect on games from here to the rest of the season.

    Normally you'd hope for a little cross-country detriment when a team like Seattle is coming all the way to Miami (that's literally the biggest plane trip possible in the NFL, I think). Miami will also be coming off a faux-bye week because of a Thursday night game the week before. But the Seahawks will have a full actual bye week prior to that plane trip so I think that cancels cross country effects, and cancels the effect of Miami's faux-bye. And by the time we play them, for all we know, they could be 7-3, looking pretty dominant and coming off a bye week well-rested.

    Hard to say how cold it will be up in Buffalo on November 15th but it will be a night game so whatever the temperature was going to be for a day game you can lower it by about 10 degrees. Definitely in the 40's. The real problem with this game is that Miami will be traveling up to Buffalo to play it on a short week. It's a Thursday Night Football game. It begs the question whether A) Miami's players are ready for a prime time, night type of atmosphere, and B) Can they overcome traveling on a short week?

    Indianapolis is in total up-down response mode right now. They respond to a bad loss to the Bears by beating a Vikings team that is actually playing great football right now. But then they respond to that win by blowing it against one of the very worst teams in the NFL in the Jaguars. They respond to THAT blown opportunity by taking down a juggernaut (don't care what the records say) in the Packers. And then they respond to that by laying down dead for the New York Jets. Now they face Cleveland and then Tennessee, before coming home and facing Miami. Dare I say the pendulum looks to keep swinging in a response pattern for another two weeks, where Miami will be put in the uncomfortable position of trying to get them to break serve in Week 9 by taking two losses in a row...and we'll be attempting that in their house.

    It would have been nicer to face Tennessee early in the season than where we're facing them, because I think they're going through a little bit of an upswing. It's hard to say how many of the next four or five they'll win but it wouldn't surprise me if it's quite a bit. Ultimately when you boil it down, they've got good corners, a good defensive line, a good offensive line, Chris Johnson seems to be getting his groove back, and Kenny Britt definitely appears to be back. Everyone makes a big deal about Locker being hurt but Matt Hasselbeck is the one that led them to a 9-7 record last year. By the time we play them, they'll be a solid team. It won't be an easy victory by any means. That's going to be a tough, hard-nosed, physical football game where two teams will beat each other up, and then Miami has to travel on short week to Buffalo. I think with those two games in succession, we win one and lose one.

    Overall I see us going 2-2 over the next four games, then dropping 3 games in a row to the Seahawks, 49ers and Patriots. We'll reclaim a game against the Jaguars in all likelihood, but can we turn around and beat the Bills at home after that? I don't know.

    With NE starting out 3-3 as they have you can just about guarantee they'll still be playing hard in Week 17. The crappy thing about playing them Week 17 is they tend to play hard in Week 17 pretty much no matter what.

    I'll go with a move up from my preseason 5.5 win projection to a 6.5 win projection...with the big surprise (for me) still being that Miami went up to Cincinnati's house at a time when Cincy was playing well, and just beat them straight up. The 0.5 is the Buffalo game on December 23rd, combined with the Tennessee/Buffalo combo earlier in the year on the short week. There's a chance Miami comes out of the short week bracket with two L's, but if that's the case I think the chances of them catching a W on December 23rd increase. I don't think there's much chance Miami comes out of the short week bracket with two W's. So I think between the three games it'll be a coin flip whether they go 1-2 or 2-1.
     
  22. jw3102

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    I believe the Dolphins have played better than they were expected too. That being stated, their record at this time is 3-3, which is about as average as you can get. So I have to agree with those who call the Dolphins an average team at this time. That is still far better than what many people were calling them before the season started.
     
  23. mommabilly

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    Cannot remember the last time I watched or even listened to Mike and Mike, Cowterd or Lepracy lips Lupica. You can take their combined so called ' expertism " and flush it down the toilet for all I am concerned. Cowterd and Dos Mikes HAS TO BE two of the worst sports shows on the planet earth.

    I would not even listen to either if they thought we were Super Bowl Bound. Half the time all of them just stick their you know whats in their mouth.
     
  24. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    You have to start somewhere. We started out a poor team which was reaffirmed against the Texans. We progressed from there to better than expected and now they are considered average which is an improvement from the beginning of the year. Against the Rams they proved they can win even when they are playing poorly. If they can steadily improve, even with highs and lows, they will eventually be considered better than average. Time will tell where the progression leads.
     
  25. cdz12250

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    Winning as many as you lose is the definition of average.

    I'd much rather be average than wallow in Sparano-coached 6-10 suckhood.
     
  26. rumple

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    The schedule has been a joke 3-3 is great for this team. Should go 6-10 when all is said and done.
     
  27. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    If you break it down to the AFC the "upper" is 1/8 and that is very accurate with only 2 teams in the AFC are above .500.
    Don't rain on the parade, we have a good chance this year!
     
  28. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Well I wasn't listening to BSPN radion on purpose. I had an employee of mine put it on the radio while we were on the job. I got pissed off after listening to those dumbasses and while i'm not the greatest at starting a post/topic I put it up to hear other thoughts...But yeah let the blind men see what they think they can see. I am going to hold out hope for playoffs. You all make really good points thanks for the response.
     

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