Miami dolphins vrs Rams..Refs, and "No life stadium.

Give it up already. They just invested several hundred million renovating the stadium, it isn't changing.

 

No, it's not. It happens all over the NFL. When your team sucks for 10 seasons the fans stop showing up. As for the stupidest fans....it again happens all the time. When Zack, and Jason played, and the team had a very good defense, it was loud as hell and the fans were especially smart when the opponents were down near our endzones.

 

If he writes me with this, I'm writing back and telling him put a solid team on the field and show promise and everything else will take care of itself.

 

Not when they're going on 10+ seasons of sucking. Then there are a few

 

It was awful. I went to a game there when Miami was is town, and afterwards I had a headache for 2-3 hrs from the residual effect of the noise.

 

Yes it does and it goes both ways. The team HAS to create the energy and get the crowd to believe that they're rooting for a winner. No one likes a crappy losing team.

 

People will come when the team is good again.

 

Very true...for example, I came today...........

 

In 2001 Lamar Smith ran all over the Colts for 239 yards.
We were down 14-0 at the half.
That playoff game didn't officially sell out. Your point is bogus even if the endzones were spray painted navy blue.
It wasn't until OT that anyone cared.
I think Fiedler threw three picks in the first half.

 

Me too. Except I came in a vagina.

cough** I mean when Marlon Moore scored cough**

 

Pretty sure it sold out, just not in time to lift the blackout....

 

I understand the point you're making but this isn't true.

 

Improve the quality of the fans experience and attendence will go up. Winning will help but there other things they could be doing too. You can easily drop $500 for the total fan experience and what do you get for it. Your paying to see the game live and the privlage of rooting for your team in person. They need to improve the value of their product or continue to accept many people are turned off by it and will not be attending games.

 

What's not true about it?

 

blah blah blah.

If you can;t explain why the team was having large and loud crowds less than 10 years ago..hell..in 2008, and 2009 then don;t make this post.

I have been going to games since 83'.

Some of the loudest crowds I have been a part of in JRS have been recently. 02' Raiders game, and the 09' Jets game.

 

was that the fiedler keeper as the clock expired for the win ? that is one of my favorite games of all time

 

That was 2001.

2002 was the Jason Taylor game. Had two monster sacks of Rich Gannon to start the game (finished with 3 in the game) and Surtain had the INT to seal. Dolphins won 23-17

Cris Carter actually caught a TD in that game. One handed IIRC

 

Don't remember Carter but Surtain had the clinching INT. We were in pole position for a bye and could have claimed the #1 seed if we won out but alas....Wanny.

 

South Florida is much different now than it was in 2002.

 

How bout 2008 and 2009?

 

while I don't ***** about the home crowds...this post is complete BS. Personally I have seen the Fins play in Jax (2), Pittsburgh (3), Dallas (1), Tampa (2), Buffalo (2) and Miami (2)....That being said, I would love to be able to come to all of the games though I am 10 hours away (yet still in Florida) but I can't for financial and time-off reasons. Sorry if those are excuses but it's also life and your post was rather rude IMO. Just saying

 

ONE MORE TIME....

If they become good...that place will rock.

It wasn't ancient history when that stadium had a great atmosphere. It was 2009.

 

Yes. Not as much of a difference from 2002, but South Florida has progressively developed a lot of ways to entertain yourself on a Sunday afternoon.

 

and then he dropped it at minnesota....that was that famous lobster trap game....szzzzz wannstedt....

 

As the team improves the stadium will be fine. It has had plenty of loud moments the past 5 years or so. Nobody should be surprised they're only getting 50-58,000 after not winning a playoff game since 2000.

But there's more life in Sun Life right now than at Yankee Stadium - which has thousands of empty seats, boo birds and overpriced everything and its the playoffs.

Not sure how much the Dolphins will be able to boost fan support in one season. Getting swept by the Jets might kill it all, so thats a huge game. But if they string together more wins, maybe they'll sell more.

 

From an outsider's perspective (I live in Upstate NY) on the crowd thing, I think it's two-fold here. Yes, the Stadium .... well, it sucks. I've been there myself for two games, and the upper deck seems like a mile away from the field. I had seats in the second row/40 yard line in the upper deck two years ago, and the seats were hardly as good as they sound. I think my view in Ralph Wilson last year from the 26th row of the upper deck was about similar. Crazy! It's also a tad too big, and was built to accommodate baseball someday down the line, as you all well know. I don't think we need a new stadium, but a fairly decent refurb would be great. Perhaps the plan they put out a couple years ago w/ the partial roof, and four large screens in each corner. It's just not the most intimate atmosphere for football. I'm sure there is energy when the place is packed, but when I was there for my two games, I always felt like it was a real effort to build any kind of crowd momentum. Compare that to what I feel in Buffalo, even when they suck.

There's also the issue for the Dolphins that they have sucked for awhile, and the crowd support has simply eroded. I think this can happen everywhere (I've been in half-empty stadiums in Foxboro before, in the pre-Brady days), but I think it's even worse in SoFla, when you have so many other things to do year-round. I mean, you really have to have something exciting going at the stadium to draw people in, beyond the die-hards. But if T-Hill is what we think he is, and this keeps building, it won't be long before we're selling-out again.

That said, let's get the best of both worlds - get better, and refurb the stadium. And to heck w/ using tax dollars, Ross has the cash, or can raise it, and should pony up for it - and then enjoy all the benefits of it.

 

So much this. You're talking about one of, if not the most successful franchise in all of sports over the last 2 decades, and they can't even fill ALCS games. And yet Dolphins fans are bad?

I think it's easier for people to label a fanbase as "bad" instead of coming to the realization that the team is/has been bad. Winning solves everything.

 

I just don't understand how in one sentence you call out the fans, then in the very next paragraph say that when the team is good the stadium will be full and rockin'.

Are you of the opinion that it should be full and rockin' when the team isn't good?

 

They kind of have this "12th Man" thing going in Buffalo too, stems from their SB days. It's a very big, but also very cozy stadium, especially when you consider it's fairly old-school. It is probably the loudest place on earth that I've ever personally been to. Not sure if it's because half the stadium is underground, but it just gets downright loud when the Bills do anything even remotely good. Sounds like the OB was the same way, w/ the metal structure, etc.

Seattle's new park is clearly designed to be imposing to visitors. It just looks like a tough place to play, and it gets loud. Miami can do better than what it has. It's good to know it can be loud when the current place is packed, but why not make the place an attraction - something the fans will be more apt to go to even if the team is somewhat sub-par at times. Now is the time to do it - ride the Tannehill wave and get it done.

 

and by "get it done," I mean Ross and friends. No reason a $10 billion industry needs to use tax dollars. Sure, get the counties to chip in on some infrastructure, etc., but the stadium refurb should be done by the owner. He HAS the money, or could certainly raise it if need be, sheesh!

 

I promise you. They win..that place will be packed again.

 

what is your time frame on that ?