"the guy looked like the RealDeal to me good as the young Dan Marino give him another three games to calibrate his recievers & we may have our Franchise QB." "I've been saying he's the real deal but I couldnt believe how well he played tonight. I thought we would have to wait till next year to see those kind of games from him. wow just wow" "He is the real deal, been saying it all along...i`ve seen the kid play enough, i know what he`s made of. If he played this well tonight, just imagine if we got some consistency from our WR`s, or some better WR`s, and if we would open the playbook up for him even more once he gets more comfortable and confident. The possibilities are endless. I strongly feel our search for a QB is OVER" "i agree!!!!" "i like the kid. he looks gung ho out there. not scared at all. what. so. ever." "up all night. I'm too excited to sleep!" All from October, 2009. All of these are quotes by us, here at The Phins, talking about Chad Henne after an early big game. Tannehill has shown lots of promise so far, but let's keep one foot in the boat, shall we?
Hope is all we. I Thought Brian Griese was our guy, I thought maybe Aj Feeley was the answer, I thought we finally got it right with Culpepper! Drew who? Maybe Joey Harrington just needed a change of scenery! Cleo Lemon was a Lemon, but man we finally got it right with John Beck! So i thought, but man Henne was it! Beck was old, Henne, now thats a QB! Man you see him against the Jets! I even bought his Jersey! Now did i really believe all that? some, but a lot of it was just hope that we finally got somebody! So here is to hoping for Tannehill not to be just another name on the long list, another disappointment that being a dolphin fan you get so used to. I need Tannehill to be the guy because I don't know how much longer I can go through this, the heartache of another one biting the dust. I hope Tannehill is the last dolphin to ever wear #17, just as I hoped Henne would be with #7, Culpepper #8, and Beck #9
why the heck would we want to curb our enthusiasm? After 20 years of pure misery, optimism is what we are left with. why would you want to take that away? If Tannehill is playing well, then enjoy the ride.
I never evaluated Henne as a good QB. So I feel safe jumping into the water with Ryan. I mean we have no respect or dignity left to lose at this point.
One of the differences is Henne had to use gimmick's to produce, half roll outs etc. By 2010 he had become so turnover adverse that he lost his killer instinct, I remember Henne throwing the ball late into the endzone vs the Raiders and McClain intercepted the pass and Sparano went BALLISTIC, Henne never seemed like the same Qb afterwards. I still do think Chad Henne can be a good starting NFL QB, End of the day with Tannehill, 2 Td's, 6 int's, but think he is being developed properly, which will mean losses.
Really awesome post Bpk.. i've been thinking about something like this non stop since the AZ game ended.... and you hit the nail on the head. Although... between hard knocks and that last game I flat out love the kid, i'm still cautiously optimistic. Keep it coming RT.... PLEASE.
really, the TD to INT ratio is almost meaningless at this point. He's a rookie QB that is showing some very good ability, but is still going to make a good number of mistakes. that's the typical MO for a rookie QB. I fully expect his TD to INT ratio to approach 1-to-1 by season's end, or at least close to it.
Many of us felt that, despite being optimistic that we'd found our guy with [fill in the blank here]. The thing is, this is the first of that group that has the pedigree to go along with the other things that have made him look like the guy we are searching for. I have no issues with anyone claiming "this is our guy". However, like Bpk said...we still have to temper ourselves for a period of time... However, the early returns look really, really good...
Can we please not create false parallels between reactions to Henne and reactions to Tannehill? There's already one big difference between Tannehill and Henne; Tannehill shows growth almost from quarter to quarter, while Henne has stayed the same QB from his freshman year at Michigan to right now in 2012. Being cautious with Tannehill is fine, but it shouldn't have anything to do with Henne.
i'm pretty sure it was more of a "we've been down this road before, play it safe and see how it pans out a bit more" type of deal moreso than saying Tanny and Henne have ANYTHING TO DO with eachother what-so-ever. could be similar situations (doubt it)... could be 100% different. If tanny is a complete failure... this post would be on the money. so its just a reminder to let the kid develop and enjoy the ride while he does because its looking promising. I wouldn't over-read the fact that it was 'Henne' because you could have used several different names there for the same type of situation.
We shall see, to me over his first 4 games he has been up and down, by that cycle the Cinci game is a test to see if he breaks that cycle. And if they don't bite as pups.
Yes, which is why I described it as a false parallel. Because it's false. What Henne did or did not do has no relevance whatsoever to what Tannehill may or may not do, and therefore the fact that many (not nearly a majority) bought in to Henne is irrelevant to the reaction to Tannehill. And as for going down this road, once upon a time in 1984, Dolphins fans were excited about a young QB's performance in a loss. That QB went on to be pretty good. You take these things on a case by case basis.
I guess i'll just agree to disagree. Again.... No one is saying anything about tannehill having anything to do with henne, not in any single way....at all.. there is no relevance there. the comparison and the point of the OP is the dejavu feeling of having a new QB and people jumping the gun after them having a good game before it actually plays out..... not that Tannehill can turn out anything like henne, or that there is any relevance between the 2 players or their eras........ The situations (OP) are identical (at this point). Not the players, teams, coaches, plays, years, seasons, records, stats, or anything else, just the "early-season-post-game-possible-over-reaction-to-high-qb-play" is the similarity. No one is making that comparison you are speaking of, so i'm not sure what youre saying.
These things were not said about Henne his rookie year. The big difference between the two is that Tannehill actually beat out someone to earn the job. Henne nver beat any competition in Miami, and he can't even beat our Blaine Gabbert now.
I remember after that Jets Monday night game..I thought that was it..our search was over. And for whatever reason, that type of game was never duplicated. I wanted to believe it was still there, but it just never happened for Mr. Henne. I won't let that experience dampen my excitement for Tannehill though.
Meh. I'll remain excited and fickle and at times overboard. If we all took a measured and scholarly approach, laden with caveats to refer back to in times of need, this place would look like IKEA
This is the key IMO. If you're reacting to Tannehill like you did to Henne, then to feel more certain about your appraisal of Tannehill, you have to find things that legitimately distinguish him from Henne. Or perhaps you don't care how certain you can be about Tannehill, and you just want to feel hopeful and good. Of course that's fine too. I will point this out: as late as March of 2010, well after the completion of Henne's first year as a starter, I started a thread in which I questioned he good he could be, and at that point the response in the forum was almost unanimous that we'd indeed found our franchise QB.
I agree with this 100%. Many here assumed the decision to go with THill was a concession that the staff was putting the development of a young QB above winning. I think we have learned that THill was the best QB in the room after Garrard went down and I'm sure the rest of the team knew it long before we did.
Which is odd to me because he never did anything in my eyes to suggest he could carry a team. I never saw him adjust his line calls or point out blitzers so his center could change the line call. I never saw him distinguish who the free rusher would be pre-snap. I never saw him audible out of an obvious bad play. His mechanics weren't all that great and he just looked lost in the pocket more often than not. When I say it surprises me so many people thought he could be great, it's because there a lot of guys great at talent evaluation here.
I think the problem lies where these talent evaluations hearts lie, the Miami Dolphins. I hated Henne in college, and hated Henne when we drafted him. But at certain times(and this didn't last long), even I thought maybe he was a franchise guy. Again, those thoughts didn't last long, game at a time sometimes. But as a Dolphins fan, deep down, you WANTED that. Regardless if your a scout, evaluator, draft guru or just plain old fan.
Wow, very helpful. We were almost perilously optimistic, luckily you came in to try and put a stop to such tomfoolery. To think, we were almost happy for a minute without someone trying to tell us we're stupid for it. You're like a hero.
Remember that thime that guy got shot after winning the lottery? Moral of the Story: Don't play the lottery. Remember when you bought your first used car and it broke down after 3 weeks? MoS: Don't buy used cars. Remember when a similar but unrelated situation occured prior to this one that ended poorly? MoS: Draw as many parallels as you possibly can. On this very board, threads just like this one were started because of Philbin's hiring. 'Remember the last hotshot OC on a high powered offensive team that we hired in 2007? This makes me skeptical of Joe Philbin for no reason at all.' The pattern seeking human mind is amazing at times. This is the Dolphin fan mind these days: http://drbeitman.com/Papers/PSYCH0509Beitman.pdf Tempering enthusiasm isn't a matter of pattern in football. It's a matter of cautiousness/common sense. The only sport I trust forecasting and patterns in is baseball.
One of the main things I remember on Henne was no touch. I've already seen Tannehill place balls with controlled velocity but still able to burn a fast ball, maybe being on the receiving end he understands the importance of this even more.. Tannehill is a rookie and appears to be seeing more of the field than Henne ever did.
the problem is, most people missed some very evident lack of intangables regarding Henne. He was never a leader and never commanded the respect of his team mates early on. He also threw a mean bullet but never had any touch and could not make ALL the throws. Tanney is much different, and we could see that in training camp even is he the next Marino? who knows? but hes better than chad henne.
Agree that this coaching staff looks more qualified to develop Tannehill. Sparano and Henning had a philosophy that QBs could only hurt you. Your job was to restrict them from doing that. It says this stuff in Hennings own offensive writings (which Another poster was nice enough to send to me a few years back). They didn't trust QBs, thus reinforced negativity around mistakes. It was not a nurturing learning environment. This staff balances expectations with "it's okay to make mistakes so long as you learn from them".
Good goal. I'll be happy anywhere from 0.8 to 1.2 Looking for a 75ish QBR. Though it's the second year that will tell us if he is a franchise guy. Have to see him progress, around ten point increase in QBR would be my hope.
Lol at False. There are differences and similarities. How we choose to react to them is really my premise.
This is right. It's more about us than Henne. Des is right that the players have differences. But our similar reactions are interesting.
All parallels with historical players, coaches and situations are false, really. Past is irrelevant to determining present result. But it can be indicative and suggestive. You are so black and white, my friend. But I love what your contrarian posts bring to the discussion.
I was cautiously optimistic in March 2010 too. I wanted to see Hennessy mid 70's QBR in 2010 rise to mid 80s in 2011 to show progression. To put it mildly, it did not happen.
Sorry to dampen the enthusiasm. It's true, it is a bit of a wet blanket thread. I don't relish it. We deserve joy after a long period of difficulty. I'm trying to balance my own excitement and hope with being reasonable too. I want to have realistic expectations of this boy. The truth is, the biggest thing Tannehill has going for him that Henne did not is that we really don't know who Ryan is yet. He has only two years at QB and is far earlier in his development curve. There is more unknown in what he may become (in terms of upside). With Henne, we knew a lot more about who he was as a QB from his four years as a starter in college. We knew his tendencies. We knew how he looked after 40+ college starts and four years of coaching with #1 reps. Plus a year behind Pennington! That, to me, is the best reason to be more optimistic about Ryan Tannehill. If he is this good at this stage, how good can be get with experience and coaching?
