No, you do not remember correctly . It's a rub route, designed to beat man coverage and it worked about as well as anyone could have hoped. Gotta disagree here. The LB you're speaking of was accounted for in the protection. Thomas didn't stone the guy by any means, but he forced him to the ground, giving Tanne a clear lane and enough time to make a throw. The screenshot clearly shows Bess coming wide open and #52 on the ground. Tanne bailed from the pocket when he should have been scanning the field for his second and third options. Instead, he locks onto Hartline and never take his eyes off of him. Meanwhile, Lane is blanketed, Fasano is on the ground, and Bess is wide open b/c Revis ran into not one, but two of his teammates.
That's an easy 6 IMO if he's aware that Bess is running that rub route, didn't look like he had any intention on seeing if Bess was gonna clear, if he did he could of stopped and threw quick, Bess would of been wide open.
That's pretty much how I saw it. He was on Hartline the entire time. Not ripping the kid at all, he still throws a catchable ball in the back of the EZ, I was just pointing out to BicketyBam that Sanchez isn't the only QB who left plays on the field.
It's pretty obvious. As you can see in the first picture you posted, when Bess is ACTUALLY open and not mired in the midst of a 3 yard diameter circles that contains no less than 6 bodies in it, the linebacker is already so close to where Ryan Tannehill had set up off his drop that the two could be featured on the stadium's Kiss Cam on the jumbo tron. Yet even though Bess is open, if Tannehill sat there and patiently waited for him to come open while the linebacker threatened to take his arm off while the throw is in motion (see Kevin Burnett injuring Pennington circa 2009), there was still no passing lane. I don't know how often you think you see a quarterback dumping the ball to a man on a short crosser 1 yard beyond the line of scrimmage while he's still in the G-C-G area of the field, but it sure doesn't happen often unless you're Tim Tebow and you love jump passes. To hit that route you have to wait until the receiver crosses out of the tackle box. The bottom line is Tannehill did exactly as he was coached and that route was not and should not have been the priority given the blitzing inside linebacker. You say that the blocking scheme "accounted for" the linebacker. That's BS because no backfield blocker is anything more than a speed bump for a blitzing linebacker, and that was equally true in this case as Daniel Thomas did nothing more than delay the linebacker for a split second.
I agree with CK on this one. Not to mention that he is on a dead run rolling right. In the picture he isn't moving so it's easy to say he should look left, see Bess and throw. The reality is he would have to do all of that in less than a second or two. Who in reality thinks it's possible to locate a receiver on the other end of the field while you are moving in the opposite direction, stop all your momentum and throw an accurate pass with the linebacker coming down hard on you. All in a couple seconds? The other issue is that the backside defenders are rolling WITH Ryan. Of course Bess is open at that point. If Ryan stays in the pocket the defenders aren't positioned the way they are in the photo CK posted. The linebacker would have been right under Bess, with the other LB about to kill Ryan.
The line of scrimmage was the 3 yard line and the ball was snapped from left hash which means Tannehill set up off his drop at about the 9-10 yard line a little right of the left hash. This is confirmed by the picture where Thomas had managed to be a speed bump for the linebacker. You can see Tannehill has already begun scrambling because he sensed the rush of the linebacker (i.e. what he's taught to do). He scrambled backward and to the right and by the time that first still shot is snapped he'd gotten maybe 2 steps away. At this point, on no planet is Davone Bess open. He is stuck in a pile of no less than 6 bodies (counting Bess) all within a circle with a 3 yard diameter. By the second still shot (less than 1 second after the first still shot), the linebacker is kissing distance from where Tannehill had originally set up, yet Davone Bess is only just then coming into the clear ready to be recognized and thrown to. If Tannehill had stayed put and tried to hit Bess, he has his arm taken off mid-throw. Given his scramble to the right it would have taken a ridiculous (and highly, highly unadvisable) throw for him to lob it over all the bodies and over to Davone Bess on the other side of the field, and he would have been doing that blind because there's no way he sees through all those bodies and sees Bess open. This is just one of those plays where people misinterpret a guy as being open even though it wasn't realistic to get the football to him. And as Alex44 said, part of the reason so few bodies are over to Davone with him is because Tannehill started scrambling and that brought the other defenders that direction.
LOL @ "obvious". I'm giving my opinion, you're giving yours. Only the players and coaches know the truth. I know you'll be seeing the all 22 tape soon if you haven't already, not that you'd need it for this play, the broadcast film illustrates the play just fine. Take a look at Fasano, he's not trying to get open, he's bracing for contact with Revis (setting a pick) while Bess is looking to slide underneath him and the rest of the traffic. Watching the play live, it's clear that Tannehill never bothered to look in Bess' direction, nor did he stand in the pocket and move to evade the pressure. He's focused on Hartline from start to finish and he moves to his right before the pressure even becomes a factor. Thomas' block is inside out so Tanne is actually scrambling toward Harris, not away from him. Moving left would have bought him more time but he's not really evading pressure as much as he's looking to buy time for Hartline to get open, IMO b/c he has already decided to work that side of the field without looking anywhere else. Had he taken a glance to the left he'd have seen Bess coming open. This is the NFL, more often than not the QB needs to anticipate a receiver coming open before it actually happens in order to have the ball on target before its too late. What's BS is that a RB is a "speed bump" for a blitzing LB, especially a 230 lb RB. Thomas chose to use a cut block in that spot. Perhaps the play called for a quick throw, but clearly he had Harris squared up and could have taken him up high with either shoulder. The real bottom line is that Tanne chose to work the the front side while Bess came open on the back side. Had Tanne looked away from his primary (and he had time to do so) Bess was open with a HUGE catch radius. All Tanne needed to do was put the ball in Bess' zip code and Revis would have had no chance. Not a bad play by the QB, Hartline def had a chance to make a play for his team, but Bess had an easy score on his fingertips and Tanne never looked his way, for whatever reason.
So I'm confused. Is this a play that Tannehill botched or was it a poor example to use of Miami leaving a play on the field? At least when Sanchez screws up, it's not debatable Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
No it's not a play that Tannehill botched. It was a quick pass that had a designed option in case the OL gave the QB an inordinate amount of time, which didn't happen because an inside linebacker blitzed and the backfield protector is not expected to sustain blocks on blitzers, which means Tannehill is coached to create once he senses that blitz pressure. He rolled to the play side not the back side because that's what he should do and once he began rolling to the play side Davone Bess became no longer an option.
I'm not sure I can agree with him doing exactly as he was coached b/c it wasn't the play's natural design and b/c Hartline wasn't the lone receiver on the field. I'm not sure he's coached to lock onto one target from start to finish, especially when Hartline is well covered by Cromartie and Yeremiah Bell is positioned directly between QB and receiver (easily seen on the coach's film). The moment the play became somewhat improvisational and there was no immediate option for Hartline (thanks to double coverage), IMO Tanny should've immediately glanced for another target, followed by either throwing it to him or buying more time with his feet to provide a higher percentage throw than what he was originally looking at with the double covered Hartline. But, he's a rookie in his 3rd game so I won't criticize his decision.
Why is the Dolphin receiver on the ground past the 5yd mark after three Jets contacted him? Isn't that interference anyway? While watching the game I thought Bess was open here but it was a short window.
that play looked like it was designed to go to Fasano who was running across the back of the endzone, but he was blanketed.
If you think the coaches film shows him staring at Hartline the whole time I don't know what to tell you. It's pretty clear that he does exactly as you wish him to do trying to find another target by turning his head a split second to his left to see if Fasano is open. Unfortunately, Fasano was on the ground. He then used his eyes to work on the Hartline-Clay dynamic. People act like Hartline was the only one in the viscinity but that wasn't the case. Clay was over there and he began breaking to the inside. I can't tell for absolute certain because the coaches cam is behind Tannehill's head but just before Tannehill threw the football the third defender who is assigned responsibility for reading the QB's eyes broke left (Tannehill's left) to cover Charles Clay, and then Tannehill threw to Hartline. And what's ironic about all this conversation is that Coaches Tape view from behind the OL shows that Ryan Tannehill damn near had a touchdown on the play. People are all complaining like he missed something. He scrambled out in response to a blitzing linebacker, used his eyes to get the floater to jump on the wrong route, then threw the ball LOW right where only Hartline could catch it, and had Hartline dug under the damn thing we're sitting here dissecting this glorious, beautfiul, Aaron Rodgers-esque touchdown pass that Ryan Tannehill threw. Instead we're talking about how he ****ed up by not being a sitting duck while a linebacker tore his arm off at the socket waiting for a receiver to break clear across the other side of the formation on a three step drop.
The only way he could improvise with his feet is the way he is rolling out. He MIGHT have been able to slip up into the pocket to the left behind Pouncy but thats taking a huge chance that the blitzing Lb would miss him....
I agree. I don't have a problem with the pass to Hartline, as he got open and Tannehill put the ball where he was supposed to. But Bess was clearly wide open and there was plenty of opportunity to find him. Virtually any kind of lob pass to that side of the field is an easy TD with no defender having any chance to get to it. But Tannehill didn't have the benefit of sitting here and dissecting the photos in the luxury of his own home.
If only he was Chuck Norris. In fact if he was Chuck Norris, the endzone would have moved to Tannehill.
If he would have lobbed the ball back across the formation he would have had to do so with no vision of what's over there. And if someone were dropping back in a zone and picked it off then he would have been MURDERED for it in the press as the stupidest thing he could have possibly done. Not a good idea.
There are a lot of plays that warrant criticism for Tannehill, but I'm not sure this one is high on the list.
The only thing I'd criticize him for on this play is if he never used his eyes to bait the safety into going after Charles Clay. You can't tell by the back view. It's clear that safety is reading Tannehill and subsequently jumps to Tannehill's left to come up on Clay, but he could have been doing that for no good reason at all. If he never baited the guys with his eyes then it's a genuine stare-down, although it doesn't matter that much because the corners were in man coverage and he manufactured an angle so that he could throw it all the way out to the sidelines, which reduced the chances of any safety help factoring in. In fact if the safety did break on Clay without seeing anything in Tannehill's eyes, that's probably why...the safety knew the sideline would be squeezing the receiver for him.
I would nikpik on making a better throw to Hartline. A little higher and to the outside to make it a more catchable ball. However, for the most part I did think do a good job on the play and would give him a passing grade.
It appears to me it would have been really difficult, practically impossible, for Tannehill to see Bess behind that mass of players, especially seriously moving out on his rollout. When he threw to Hartline, for a second I thought it was a TD, but Hartline couldn't hold on to the ball. That should have been a touchdown.
It is a possible touchdown and would have been an amazing play. However, that would be like complaining that a wide receiver missed a diving one handed grab or a running back didn't break 5 tackles for a touchdown.
Too many missed opportunities for both teams... You could tell, at times that Thill was frustrated by the poor job of the wideouts last Sunday... This FO is inhibiting him from big plays since he does not any weapons of that ability in the wideouts nor TE's...
At this moment there's no chance of completing a pass to Hartline or Clay as it's well defended. As such, IMO, Tanny should've glanced back to Bess's route. He also could've turned and scrambled backside where he had more field to work with as well as 8 teammates (plus himself) verse roughly 4 or 5 out-of-position Jets, which would've likely ended with a 2 or 3 on 1 with Revis trying to play both Tanny & Bess, and possibly Fasano [who's getting up and could've easily dropped off in the back of the endzone].
My point was that Bess was wide open for a TD, in response to another poster who said that Sanchez left TDs on the field. Never said Tanne screwed up.
Hopefully this will be discussed with Sherman and Philbin to remind the young QB he might have stuff on the opposite side of the field. Could be an artificial memory but didn't Revis get hurt on a pass back across the field to Daniel Thomas? Kid has played three football games in the NFL.
Grown men who can't catch a ball whilst running. Kicker who can't kick a ball straight DOWNWIND. Did no one else see this? Both teams could almost be fined for their level of incompetence. Possibly the worst game I have ever watched on TV. Holy smoke, we can't beat a team who can't even decide who is to play QB. Shocking!
O...M...FN...G. You're really complaining that off the scramble Tannehill didn't use his magic rear view mirror to determine there was no defender behind him preventing him from pulling some Barry Sanders reverse field bull ****. Wow. Ok well, time for me to duck out of this one.
Bess is open but by the time Tannehill could have turned someone would have knocked his head off. In all angled the defender is roughly 6-10 yards from him at furthest. That is about one second of reaction time before he gets drilled. Not nearly enough time to find Bess again, stop his momentum, align his body to throw and deliver it. It's just completely unrealistic IMO Plus like CK said he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. I hate still photos in football because more often than not they lie. All this happened within split seconds.
We lost cause the Jets scored 23, we scored 20. Both teams left a lot of stuff on the field. I hate to say it though, we are about as good as the Jets. And we all know the overhype they have.
The still photos don't lie, they're just often misinterpreted. They're very useful for people that have a grasp of how the field moves, reaction times, speeds, etc.
That did make me laugh... ....watching the live action replay last night over and over, unless Tannehill was staring down Bess the entire time or willing to keep looking his way hoping for the collision between Fasano, LB, Revis, and Safety, he properly executed the play and continued to roll and ultimately created the time to have an open Hartline and frankly, what is not being discussed is that Hartline DROPPED the TD. It was perfect ball placement, and dare I say, if it was Marshall and not Hartline, this fan base would not be so easy to place blame on a rookie QB not having a rearview mirror to reverse field and scramble like its out of the "Longest Yard" slow motion last second score vs the Prison Guards. IMO, Tannehill may have missed on Bess as an option for a split second, a brief split second at that, but more importantly he extended the play with his athleticism and accuracy and put the pass where it needed to be put, unfortunately Hartline failed to come up with it. Again, the focus should be on Hartline, and not the frame grabs that make it appear like a cartoon from Family Circus where Billy fails to take the letter to the mailbox and instead roams the neighborhood because fans here simply want to draw lines and dashes on a screen grab out of context. Chalk this up to just another dropped TD and nothing more.
