I hated to see them play for the tie at the end of the half. Especially with so much time on the clock and 3 time outs left. I know they went to the endzone twice to Hartline but those were very low percentage passes. They should have sent Hartline long and hit Bess or Fasano across the middle of the field then took a time out. Get it as close as you can while using the clock. I blame the loss on everything. The coaches, the kicker, the Qb, the Db's, the pass rush, the fumble, the safeties, the hot dog stands and the stadium....
Who can give the kicker a pass in this situation? Not me! He pissed me off but I absolutely blame the coaches for not getting it closer. 47 and 48 yard FG's are a hellava lot harder than 37/38.
I agree with the overthinking aspect. Do what works. Lamar was tearing them up... why change what works? Maddening.
totally agreed,watching around the League, you can see how much a good/great WR helps a QB and it is hard not to feel for Tannehill (who didn't have a good game anyway: the INT was so dumb), honestly: our WRs (like Bess or Hartline) are good, but with clear limitations and neither one is a true N'1... and the other are just...well, you choose the right word (watching Armstrong dropping a ball right in his hands....hard not to destroy the TV) anyway, our team has just a long way to go: -we don't have any kind of depth at LBs -we have Clemons as Safety starter, enough said (on the long gain for the Jets he was embarassing, 10 minutes just to turn around, in the meantime the Jets player was gone) -Marshall is just a decent CB, nothing more (he was abused for most of the game and he seems to be a penalty-machine) -our best player is notoriously injury prone (and it's so sad, because his talent&work ethics are so good!) -we still need the second pass-rusher (not a new thing at all, we have to say) honestly, I wanted to win, because I am a freaking fan and they are the freaking Jets, but I was really depressed watching the Dolphins (aside, as usual, from the first drives) and even when I thought we could win (before Carp's mistake) I couldn't feel any joy, after that kind of game
Why did we lose? They scored more points than us!! Seriously though--I "watched" the game on the Drive Chart on nfl.com and THE two key plays/situations that caused us to lose the game: We weren't able to get the ball into the endzone on our second scoring drive Ryan Tannehill's pick 6 interception. Had we scored on that second scoring drive instead of settling for a field goal; +4points Had Tannehill not tossed that interception; NYJ -7points The game would have ended in regulation with the score 24-13 Miami. Everyone can point fingers at Dan Carpenter all they want but when you place pressure on an individual to continuously kick 40+ yard field goals, you're going to suffer what I call the "Chad Henne Effect". Henne was called upon to throw the ball 40+ times a game and we never consistently ran the ball. Defenses continuously dropped back into pass coverage as the never had to defend against the run. Sooner or later, Henne would be intercepted. Same principle here; If you call on your kicker to kick field goal after field goal after field goal, sooner or later he's going to miss some key kicks and that's what happened with Carpenter yesterday.
After we lost Bush and the Jets lost Revis I could see why Sherman might want to take to the air a little more. My problem with that is we still don't have enough weapons of significance at receiver to have been able to really take advantage of the situation. I don't know how badly hurt he truly is, but I can't imagine that someone like Jabar Gaffney, while certainly not the answer, wouldn't at least be able to offer Tannehill a little more help in the passing game over dead weight like Nanee.
This team is about where we thought it would be. Still lacking in talent in few areas but able to compete. We stayed with the jests, a superior talent-wise team. You can pick out the missed kick, the play calling in OT or the pick-six as reasons...(and they all are part of the reason we lost) but the bottom line is that this TEAM lost...not one play, player, coach or strategy of playcalling individually lost this game... On the very bright side, the individual players won't always not make a play, the play calling will be different and better as we go along and the coaches in general will learn from these mistakes...I'm very encouraged by this team. This coming draft could be the one that puts the wheels in motion... Hope Reggie is ok...will make a big difference for the rest of the season...
I know there's a natural focus on "why we lost" but there should be equal focus on "why we were even close to begin with". While we certainly could have won this if certain things had gone our way, the game also could have been out of reach if certain things had gone the Jets' way.
one of the The arguments is did our coaches coach aggressive enough to get those field goals closer, which gives you a higher percentage to achieve the result.
Sanchez missed 2 sure TD's and threw a gift pick in the end zone. That should have been at least 3. Oh, Hill dropped a TD too. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
I hate losses like this because it gives fans the false impression that everything is OK. Hey, if Carpenter had made that kick we win and we're in 1st place! When in reality it hides the fact that Holmes absolutely roasted whoever was covering him (Hello, Richard Marshall) that Sean Smith was burned and beaten badly twice, that the D-Line can't get a sack, that Daniel Thomas is horrible, that there is NO ONE on offense who can make a play outside of Reggie Bush, etc. so on. All of those things still exist if Carpenter makes that FG.
True, on some of those deep passes there were open players underneath, he wasn't seein the whole field, there was another time where I thought as soon as we got to the 35 the play book closed up.
yeah, I forgot about DT's fumble (adding to his vision problems)..... very very concerning, not just becuase it's a damn fumble, but even more because he had one the last game he played, so one could think he would have been more careful yesterday.....
Exactly. Anything else is zombie thinking. We have a very good run defense and a good run offense provided the RB is Bush or (maybe) Lamar Miller. We don't have anything consistent out of the passing game, which is both on Tanny and the lack of playmakers. And we still give up huge plays in the secondary, we just got lucky yesterday that Sanchez is horrible as well. We;re a very mediocre football team who played another very mediocre team and the football was completely mediocre. Lovely way to go through a season, but it's no change for us. Seriously, how many times over the last 10 years have the Dolphins played this exact game?
It's not that he wasn't seeing the field, it's that he was making a decision to be aggressive. I can forgive that a lot more easily than I can a quarterback who is consistently not aggressive enough. He had a play in the Oakland game that exemplified this choice. Legedu Naanee had single coverage on a deep post from a corner with outside position because he started off in quarters coverage. The safeties were up and not available to help on Legedu. It was 3rd & 8 yet that was probably the best throw, the player with the most advantage on the play. He chose instead Anthony Fasano underneath at 6 yards with Rolando McClain in man coverage. Fasano can win but only to a small degree, he caught the ball and was brought down easily before the sticks for a 4th down and punt. Now it just so happens because of my very low opinion of Naanee, I agreed with that decision. But if that were a normal receiver (and believe me when I say the coaching staff considers Naanee a normal receiver else they'd not be putting him on the field) then the right call for Ryan would've been the aggressive one, and there's a possibility the coaches pointed this out to Ryan in film sessions. Tannehill was trying to take the aggressive choice with the least resistance, that's all. The Jets put the sombrero on their talented players to out play our talented players in situations without help. They did.
It was brutal and it went on forever. The replacement refs just have no control over the flow of these games and its awful.
We lost plain and simple because Mike Sherman is a fukin idiot. The pinhead has always shot himself in the foot for trying to outsmart the defense. Told all of you that you are going to loathe this guy and this game is a perfect example of Mike Sherman being a thick headed dick head. Add in the other pinhead call of not just kneeling on the ball and getting out of the half and yeah folks, like I said, Mike sherman is a fukin idiot
He also had a 99 QBR rating for the 4th quarter and OT. But no doubt the Jets played terrible. The Dolphins were just dreadful. Loved the play calling. Every time THill dropped back to pass, I breathed a huge sigh of relief. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
Think we started off fairly decent though. If there's something that's been consistent for the first three weeks, its been our game plan to start the game. The scripted plays offensively. We've been very efficient in that regard. I do think there's something to build on there. But overall, not surprised to see these two teams make poo poo on the field for the majority of the game. I mean it looked like nobody wanted to win.
The Dolphins were "dreadful" while kicking the jet's asses all over the field? So you do admit that the Jets are terrible?
Haven't heard anything yet, but I haven't looked. Hope he isn't out for the year. They can get away without him against a team with lousy receivers (see yesterday) but against a good team he will be sorely missed. Thanks for asking. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
Jets had more total offense yards, albeit not by much. How is that getting their asses kicked all over the field. Trailing in the 4th quarter, they drove the field and scored the go ahead TD. They were also able to move the ball into high percentage field goal range in OT. I'm not sure what game you watched. The Jets played terrible yesterday, especially on offense. They could not run against your defense. They lost that battle. However, the Jets stopped their own passing game, not the Dolphins. Sanchez should have passed for close to 400. Hill has a hard time catching the ball. Sanchez overthrew two TD's on throws I've seen him make plenty of times. He was not good until the 4th quarter. If he played just decently prior to that, the Jets win by 2 TD's. Jets are an average team that played terrible yesterday. My opinion. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
The Jets for the entire first half only mustered a sustained drive when aided by a penalty, and on another needed to fake a punt. They got beat to hell in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Several Jets left the game during play due to collisions with Dolphins. The Dolphins missed 3 interceptions. (2 dropped, 1 slip) They smashed the Jets run game. They ran at will against them. They missed two field goals. Let me throw this back at you.....I'm not sure you watched the same game.
I thought we missed a lot of opportunities in the 1st half but then the Jets missed a lot of opportunities in the 2nd half, and where I'm usually neutral on officiating with the belief that the calls usually balance one another out, I thought we were the clear beneficiaries of the officiating in this game.
First half offense was pathetic. I said that. However penalties are part of the game. I think you guys benefited from a few, no? On the only Miami TD drive in the second half, you had a 15 PF and the Fasano "catch." On your next drive, a PI put the ball 1st and 10 from the Jets 31. You then manhandled the Jets for 2 yards and missed a 47 yard chip shot. After a two 3 and outs, you got another PI call on 3rd and 10 that put the ball on the Jets 23. 3 play and zero yards later you kicked a FG to tie the game. In OT, you had 1st and 10 at the Jets 35. Miami powers through the Jets for 5 yards in 3 plays and proceeds to miss another chip shot, this one 48 yards. There is no winning this argument. If you want to believe that Miami kicked the Jets *** up and down the field for 60 minutes, plus OT, that's your prerogative. As bad as Sanchez was, he managed to put up 306 yards with 147 going to Holmes. How he did that while getting laid out every other pass attempt is beyond me. Congrats on the "We kicked your *** and lost" Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
The Jets had less than 50 total yards in the first half.....and about another 70 yards in penalties. That's hardly driving the ball. The same goes for the 2nd half and overtime; every time the Jets got shut down, there was a 30 yard penalty to keep their drive alive. That's the ONLY reason they had more offense; the real story is that the refs had more yards than anyone.
Jet fan delusions run deep and wide. Nice of you to mention Sanchez' 306 yards, while not mentioning his interceptions and his near interceptions and that paltry completion percentage. The physicality of a game is measured with the run game and how you stop the run. It has been that way since the game was invented. By that measure (and others) the Miami Dolphins beat the hell out of the New York Jets.
BTW Bickety....want to talk officiating? The Jets got 4 penalties that extended Jet drives that subsequently allowed for almost 150 yards of additional offense. It's as if you didn't notice that you scored one TD on offense, couldn't run the ball and got run on all day. That is the definition of "getting your *** kicked."
Total net yards on offense does not include penalty yards. Nice try through. In fact, the Jets did not have a single penalty that kept a scoring drive alive. In OT, there was a hold called against Marshall, but even with Marshall hanging on his back, Holmes caught the pass and went for 38 yards. Jets declined that one. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
