What is your impression of Jeff Ireland as a GM ?

Did nothing to me personally? Bet you thought that was gonna be a pretty good point to make huh?

Too bad he did do something to me personally. He devalued my season tickets, so he took $$$ right out of my pocket.

What could happen? Nothing that is realistic.

THE TEAM SHOULD BE BETTER. Period. Therefore, I blame him that it's not.

 

1. Fernandez
2. Wake
3. Keuchenberg
4. Pennington
5. Bush (yes, I know he was trade. For all practical purposes he was a FA though)

 

Keith Jackson and Irving Fryar belong there.

 

lol, Weakest of sauces, even for you.

 

Weakest of deflections.

 

I'm not deflecting anything.

Your wholly stupid point was that if we are better than what everyone said, that makes Ireland even worse, yet you claim sucking has devalued your season tix. You are literally drowning in weak sauce.

 

You are spinning. Doing that thing again................

It's a rerun Fin-D. Change the tape.

Boring....Boring...Boring....Boring....

 

You apparently have not studied the topic to any extensive degree if that's your list. The best free agent signing in team history has been Jim Langer.

 

We traded for Fryar.

 

really? I thought he was a FA signing.

What did we trade for him?

 

Its boring you you make **** up? Yes I agree.
Its boring, you ***** for no reason? Yes, I agree.
Its boring, you think you're making real arguments? Yes, I agree.
Its boring, you think you have a coherent well thought out point, when you clearly don't? Yes, I agree.
Its boring, you've taken it upon yourself to just be the contrary stance because you're bored with your own life? Yes, i agree.
Its boring, you've do nothing but ***** about Ireland anymore, even when his acquisitions play great? Yes, I agree.
Its boring, when you're proven wrong you accuse others of spinning? Yes, I agree.
Its boring, when you're proven wrong you accuse others of spinning because secretly the audacity of accusing others of spinning when that is all you do, is funny to you? Yes, I agree.

 

Got your period?

Now you are doing that angry ranting thing you do....

It's a pattern. Next thing you do is the dismissive insult thing. Then you recycle it at a later date.

 

But wait, I thought Ireland wasn't responsible for anything that happened under Parcells.

Oh, I get it. The good stuff, yes all Jeffy. The bad stuff, nope, all Bill. Jeffy was just an errand boy.

 

Fryar might be #1 for me. His 94 season was unreal. 17.4 Y/R.

 

lol. We win and win big, with Ireland's pick ups leading the charge and yet you're still steady *****ing....but I'm the one who is ragging? lol.

 

When's the parade?

I expected us to win. Said so in the prediction thread.

Said how talented I felt the team was in another.

Said how negligent our GM was in ignoring this team's weaknesses and how that would likely keep us out of the playoffs in this one.

 

A 2nd rounder in the current year of the trade, 1993, and a 3rd the following year.

 

Ouch...well, at least we got good production for the price.

 

By all means, please let me know when I said anything to that effect. I look forward to it.

 

Thats probably true, and admittedly I thought Langer was a draft pick. I would put him right up there with Fernandez.

 

Let me know when one side gives up and declares the other side the winner.

That'll be a forum first.

 

When Ireland gets fired, one side is gonna demand it.

 

One side may demand it, but the other side will simply say they know more than whoever did the firing, and that it was a mistake.

 

I noticed alot of Ireland's picks doing very well during the game yesterday.

 

Those picks were obviously made by Ross, Philbin, Sherman, Sparano and others aside from Ireland. Ireland only picks players who suck remember?

 

This is an interesting and ironic choice of straw men, because the whole diffusion/displacement of responsibility angle (e.g. Jeff Ireland was or was not responsible for that pick/signing) is almost always applied by people defending him.

Your taste in straw men is unique.

 

I was joking not trying to make a serious argument. If someone can prove Ireland did or didn't make a pick I'll always accept that regardless of who was in charge at any point. The humor in it for me is that I've seen people credit Sparano for acquiring Bush, Philbin and Sherman for Tannehill and so forth, which is why I make the joke.

I think the issue is that we all have the same facts but choose to interpret them differently.

 

When you're the guy in charge of the personnel department your name is attached to every pick and every player, IMO.

 

Fair assumption. Not sure if it's true or not. I don't think anyone would be shocked if Ireland was fired after a 9-10 win season, which is entirely possible given the schedule. I don't think anyone would be shocked if Ireland kept his job after a 5 win season either, which is also possible.

IMO the most telling aspect of the game was that the Raiders seemed to know that using their best player wasn't going to work. They never even tried to establish McFadden, they basically used him as a decoy. I was impressed with the run defense at Houston, even more so after they ran up 200+ rush yds vs Jacksonville yesterday. I won't say we have a ton of talent, but we're only talent deficient in one area and everyone knows what that is. I think the disconnect comes in thinking that we cant win games with the talent we have. Reality is, most of the teams we face this season aren't much better, if at all. Outside of NE, Houston and SF we won't be over matched vs anyone on the schedule. And NE just lost to Arizona...

 

I would be shocked

 

Can you Metamucil Marauders get back to discussing players from the current generation? I feel like a kid listening to grown folks talk...

 

Interesting. I don't think anyone has any facts. None of us know how much influence Ireland had or didnt have prior to Parcells' departure. It seems like people have their opinions of Ireland and adjust the "facts" accordingly.

 

....yet the actual facts say otherwise.
What was written on paper to get Ireland here compared with what actually did happen proved to be entirely different.

 

GM, there's a full thread of facts at the below link that many [not all but many] posters seem to conveniently ignore b/c it doesn't coincide with their subjective, determined opinion of Ireland.

http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...related-news-articles-and-other-factual-stuff

 

Your definition of facts is pretty unique.

 

This is for the most part true. But the one thing that IS a fact is that Jeff Ireland has had final say authority written into his contract from the moment he left Dallas for Miami. I mean, which move was whose idea and who disagreed with it to what degree...that stuff is all just a bunch of innuendo, rumor, he said she said, etc. But to me the dude with the final say in his contract from Day 1 has the legal recourse to say that any move either comes with his stamp of approval or doesn't come at all, and Bill Parcells will just have to fire him (insodoing damaging his own reputation since he hand picked him) if he doesn't like the job he's doing.

 

Contracts do not ensure an action happens. They ensure there's legal recourse if it doesn't happen.

If Parcells wanted Player X, what exactly is Ireland going to do, go to court over it?

 

It has also been just as proven that on all personnel moves, except 1-2, Ireland and Parcells were in agreement.
Who knows which moves those were? I recall the McDaniel trade being Jeff's idea. Getting him for a 7th was an excellent move. IMO, the Marshall trade was likely the other one that was more Jeff, and Parcells consented. Reason being, Bill put a condition on the trade that if Jeff made it, that he also find a way to recoup the lost 2nd rounder in 2010.

 

Yes. Or more accurately, goes to the owner about it and lets the owner know, this is what it says in my contract, I expect you to honor it, and if you're in breach of that contract then you can expect legal recourse.

 

Unique as in I seem to be in the minority of posters who actually seems to use them? That's rhetorical.


What's unique is how your argument conveniently rests on what was "written into his contract" despite the organization, team sources, etc saying otherwise.
This isn't a court of law, so your lawyerly effort to use written words in a contract as a loophole doesn't carry any weight b/c what was "written" wasn't what actually happened.... and I have a full thread of proof to back it up, where as all you have are these disproven, written words.