Be warned... these are from Omar Kelly. This is what happens when Dansby and Burnett miss most of camp. Scouting advantage: Texans. (You'd think it'd be the opposite with us having a rookie QB, a new offense and a new defense from a first-time DC). A tad surprising for a guy who doesn;t know the NFL divisions or conference, cannot assemble an IKEA side-table, thinks cardiologists look in your bowels and is a supposedly Pre-Med student who says "I don't know what -oscopy is but it sounds bad". I am not saying Tannehill is dumb, as he seems pretty football-smart (other than the NFL divisions thing) but you gotta wonder. This is expected, and leads me to think he'll be eased in this game in terms of snaps. That could mean a rotating trio of Naanee, Hartline and Matthews on that side with Marlon Moore and MAYBE ANthony Armstrong on the other side. Could they have benefitted from more action a bit earlier? Sounds like Philbin's priority was them being 100% healthy for week one. Let's hope they are still 100% prepared for it too. If conditioning is an issue, I wouldn't be surprised to see Misi take some snaps at MLB spelling Dansby, or if Misi is at DE on passing downs, maybe even a few snaps for Spitler who acquitted himself well. Ideally, Karlos plays every snap. Obsviously Omar meant 'moving him to LEFT tackle'. Sounds like Long will play anyways. That said, a stint at Left Tackle may have helped Martin regain any lost confidence... or shattered it completely.
IMO there are multiple types of intelligence and ability in one has no bearing on how high the intelligence is in another given area. I remember hearing how Mel Kiper, who is clearly exceptional at having an encyclopedic memory of prospects, would regularly have to call his wife for directions home when going to a nearby store. Some people are just exceptionally good at one thing. Here's hoping that RT's thing is QBing.
For the record, I think Ryan is actually pretty smart. First off he asked Garrard if he has a cardiologist and then he asked if he has prostate exams and other older gentleman medical stuff like that. The mistake would be thinking he was linking cardiologist to prostate exam as if they're the same guy. He was just listing as many "older gentleman" type medical issues as he could, in order to be funny. I guess the wording could be mistaken, but I got what he meant. And by no means am I an apologist for Dolphins players, as you probably well know by now. As for the "-oscopy" comment, I agree that's pretty odd for a pre-Med...however, IF I were to give him the benefit of the doubt, it would be just because he was obviously trying to be funny during the conversation. I mean, when Channing Crowder said he didn't even realize they speak English in England, that was him trying to be funny as Channing is actually a very, very smart dude. But I guess there are still people out there who insist he was serious.
Personally, I just see it as irrelevant knowledge. If you speak to college players, especially those in Texas, you'll find that a large percentage know almost nothing about the NFL structure. Here's an example of the kind of things I want RT to know (Philbin quote): "The other nice thing is when he comes off on the sideline, this guy can kind of tell you exactly what happened. It’s not a mystery to him what just went on on the field. He might even tell you before you tell him that, ‘Yes, coach, I should have read the out breaking route instead of reading the option route based on the coverage.’ He knows what the coverages are. He’s not surprised a whole lot on the field.” Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy Furthermore, I don't get the impression most even care. RT certainly doesn't seem to have it as a priority. "Tannehill, [when] asked by Houston reporters if he can name the teams in each division (something Hard Knocks viewers learned that he didn't know): "I still can't. Maybe it will be an offseason project when I have some time." Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy
Tannehill is football smart. That's all the smart he needs to be. And apparently he's pretty good w/ the ladies.
The ONLY thing that concerned me when Tannehill professed such non-knowledge of the basics of the NFL is...does he know the rules? I mean, are you going to have to make sure you are absolutely 100% thorough explaining to him every detail of how the game is different? I hate to bring it up but we HAVE seen in the past where a player made a decision in overtime not realizing that overtime wasn't sudden death in the playoffs. And when you're going over the changes between college and NFL, sometimes you do skip over the most idiotic and basic "everyone's sister knows" stuff...because you just assume the guy knows. But Tannehill showed that his knowledge of the NFL is so ridiculously incomplete that maybe he doesn't know that basic "everyone's sister knows" stuff and one day you find yourself in overtime and he's not aware that it's sudden death.
I agree with CK on his take about Tannehill and the Hard Knocks comments. On Martin switching to LT in Long's absence. Martin himself said on the Phinsider that it was a good thing as it helped him regain some confidence.
Tannehill is most definitely not dumb. He got a 34 in the Wonderlic, thats only a little less than Andrew Luck. Obviously Wonderlic score, IMO, has little to do with QB career success, however it does show a level of intelligence. A person can speak, act, clumsy and awkward. They can appear and say stupid or awkward things, but there is a difference between eloquence and intelligence.
Quite frankly judging by his personality seen on Hard Knocks, I'm not even sure Tannehill was serious about not knowing the NFL divisions and conferences.
This is just confirmation to me that our fanbase couldn't handle Hard Knocks, and it was a horrible idea for that reason alone. Do people really not realize that almost every rookie, and in fact many veterans, have absolutely no idea about the divisional breakdown of the NFL? Really, this is a thing? The reaction speaks more about the people reacting than Tannehill. And, no, Tannehill is not dumb. You don't gotta wonder. I think he was serious about not knowing the divisions, but wasn't serious about the medical bits with Garrard. Tannehill studied pre-med and wants to be an orthopedic surgeon. His wife is a nurse. He knows what a colonoscopy is and knows what cardiology is. Just because Donovan McNabb never bothered to listen when the referees explained the rules for overtime before the coin toss doesn't mean Tannehill won't listen either.
eh, that would make you about as smart as any other lawyer. present lawyering excluded of course............
Players do their job, and play football. Period. When they were growing up they were running sprints, lifting weights, and watching game film.....not posting on message boards and watching nfl ticket eating chicken wings. These guys arent "fans" like we are...... Heres a good example, I am on here all the time, have more posts than almost anyone here, and know a lot about pro football. I played up through college.....and now that I played I don't really root for the players. It has gotten better the further I have gotten out from it, but I didnt know conferences, rivalries except michigan/osu etc. I was busy playing. Not watching. Same thing for these guys, especially from Texas. Tannehill obviously knows what hes doing on the field, if he doesnt know nfl divisions, that doesnt mean hes dumb, it means he isnt a nfl zombie like most of us
Actually he was asked again by a Texas reporter and he confirmed at he did not know them and would have to study the matter later.
He clearly has football intelligence imo but he also had a high wonderlic score so it probably is more a reflection of what he is or isn't interested in ( football divisions etc )
I don't get the criticism of Tanny on this...who really cares one way or the other if he knows what division the Cards are in...I don't. If he can read D's, make the throws, do what it takes to lead this team, isn't that what matters?? Look, this kid's head is still swimming, even tho the reports are that he's ahead of the game...he's ahead of where most rookies are, yes but he's still learning the nuances of being a pro. I only care right now that he knows who Watts, Cody, Smith, Cushing, Barwin, Joseph, etc are and what they think they know about us...
This is what I took from it as well. And even the smartest of us have ****ed up a piece of IKEA. I mean, uh, not me but I'm sure some people.
This is what I think too. I think he's a smart guy who just doesn't care about certain stuff. Also, Pennington - Rhodes Scholar. Dan Marino - Not Rhodes Scholar. I take Marino every day.
I present to you Dan Marino, certainly not the brightest bulb on string, but that man could read a defense like nobodies business and he was pretty good at slinging the pigskin..
again.....WHO CARES that RT doesn't know the divisions coming into his rookie year. What the heck does that have to do with him being smart or not? ZIP...let it go
He'll learn the divisions when he has to learn the teams he has to play through in the playoffs on the way to the Super Bowl, which I hope will be soon.
That was a long time ago. The new breed of QBs are the brightest bulbs on the string and they have been studying defensive concepts since high school. Super Bowl XLV Eli Manning, New York Giants – Ole Miss (39) Tom Brady, New England Patriots – Michigan (33) http://mathjokes4mathyfolks.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/quarterbacks-super-bowl-sat-scores/ That's only 1 QB under 25 and 2 more below 27.
I love the point you're making. I think you counted Ben twice though when saying 2 more below 27. Which just further cements your point.
listening to ross tucker on sirius address the situation with tannehill not knowing the divisions he was surprised ryan didn't know, but told the listeners a few players he played with had the same porblem. he said matt light didn't watch football at all until he was recruited for college. really ross said its not that uncommon.
I get what you're saying and generally agree that you want a smart QB for the simple fact of learning how to master an entire offense as well as commanding respect. That's a small sample size though...there are plenty of successful non-superbowl QB's. For a true analysis I think we'd need to find out how it correlates to general success. I'd guess there are some very successful QB's in the lower ranges as well.
So, anyone have aNything to say about any of the other stuff from today's practice notes? I think RTs been discussed to death.
