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Dolphin Survivor: 2012

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MonstBlitz, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Bush, Reggie [292] +
    Wake, Cameron [183] -

    For now, I'll go off Monst's adjusted count, which seems in dispute... but he's the organizer. Monst, you and the other peeps can sort it all out and adjust this if you need to re-include Ricky's lady's vote.
     
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  2. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    And by the way, whether you support Bush or Wake, this is just a game. Maybe I've started taking it too seriously, and maybe all of us have if it's starting to offend members and their loved ones instead of us having fun.

    Nite all.
     
  3. RNI'sGirlfriend

    RNI'sGirlfriend New Member

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    I didnt realize how seriously ppl took this game. I just wanted to help Wake win and be apart of my man's hobbies cause he loves that. Sorry for the upset and all this back & forth posting. Monst, u dont have to add my votes back in. I will leave it to the diehards.
     
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  4. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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  5. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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  6. flounder97

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  7. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Bull ****ing **** Dupree. Don't sit there and act like you or anyone else would be ok with an account MonstsGirlfriend casting Bush votes. Or that I would do any differently if it was BPKsGirlfriend casting Bush votes.

    To everyone, especially Ricky,

    I never accused you of lying. But if your girlfriend is casting votes that's you voting from 2 accounts. You are having a loved one make votes in your interest. I don't care if it's your girlfriend or your grandmother. It's against the spirit of the game. I can't believe I really even have to defend this.

    To prevent further confusion and until I can make the rule VERY clear, no votes from brand new accounts (I'll just say join dates starting in September or beyond at this point) will be counted in this year's game. Not trying to be a dick just trying to keep the game clean as I always have.
     
  8. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    This is the correct count with my vote, please don't readjust again:

    Bush, Reggie [294] +
    Wake, Cameron [181] -
     
  9. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Changing rules in the middle of a game is not right. you keep saying you are not calling me a liar but you are by stating that i got my girlfriend to play this game. I did not do that. if i did i could see your point but that is not what happened. she obviously did it because she knows how much time i spend on this forum and i guess she was trying to flatter me. i never asked her to create an account for the purpose of voting in this game. i knew she knew this forum existed but i had no idea she even knew this game existed until she texted me to let me know what she did. No rules were broken and now you are adding rules in the middle of a game. by principle if you refuse to add a vote that didn't break any rules, i will no longer play this game.
     
  10. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    The game is fun. I didn't play or cast a vote until the final two this year.

    I don't see the issue here. Changing the rules in the middle of any game is taking your ball and going home.

    The game isn't fun when children do that.
     
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  11. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I haven't changed any rules.

    I'm trying really hard not to call you a liar here Ricky. I really am. But when you ask me to believe that your girlfriend decided very early in the morning right after you make your vote to surprise you in the random online voting game you play in that she saw just by looking over your shoulder, and has the same affinity for posting without using CAPS that you do, and knew exactly how to play the game even though the rules of this game generally confuse the **** out of new players...it makes it really hard.

    Even if you what you say is 100% correct, your girlfriend has joined the forum with the sole purpose of mimicking your vote. Clearly against the SPIRIT of the rule.

    I am shocked that anyone is surprised or butthurt that I'm not allowing this. If you don't like it, then stop playing. If you want to keep playing then I'll say enjoy the game while it lasts because this is absolutely the last year I'm doing this. Someone else can put up with the BS next year if they want.
     
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  12. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    And just to clarify on the rule:

    I'm not going to make a rule that any new members can't play. Last thing I want to do is change this game into an elitist "only for the regulars thing" because one or 2 people try to game the system in a for fun message board game.

    It will continue to be a case by case basis, but rest assured if there's a brand new account with no posts in any other forum it's going to be looked at very closely.
     
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  13. brandon27

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    Bush, Reggie [295] +
    Wake, Cameron [180] -

    I dont know what happened in here over night, but I agree with Monts position. I mean, seriously, I could have my fiance log onto her computer next to me and cast votes for Reggie every two hours too if I wanted. However, she wouldnt care. She'd tell me its dumb, but do it anyways. However, why would I do that? Whether its to vote for Reggie or Wake, or hell, Ray Feinga isn't the issue, its someone getting involved to sway the outcome late in the game to do just that... sway the outcome with zero interest whatsoever. Just my two cents. Moving on...
     
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  14. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    i have already told you that i am willing to do whatever i need to do to prove that none of this was my idea. i will even mail you my f****** phone with the text i got from her to prove it. the text has a time stamp on it. i have sent you a private message giving you my name and phone number and her name and phone number. you keep insinuating that we are either the same person or that i got her to play this game. you are the liar here. and there is no need to suggest what i have already told you i will do if a vote that didnt break any rules is not counted. i am no longer playing unless her 2 votes count! do your homework or take me up on my offer to prove that i am not her and i didnt ask or tell her to do what she did, before you make the comments you have made.
     
  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Ask yourself this:

    What would happen if I allowed this? And then see each one of us Bush supporters get our wives, children, signficant others, to sign up with brand spanking new accounts to start voting? And then have to wonder who are real accounts or who are just mults under the guise of family members? Does that seem like the best approach? Or should those of us who are actually invested in the game, along with any other valid forum members who come here to also discuss the Miami Dolphins continue until we have a winner?

    Seems pretty crystal clear if you ask me.
     
  16. flounder97

    flounder97 Well-Known Member

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    Bush, Reggie [296] +
    Wake, Cameron [179] -

    Man, all this talk of multiple accounts takes me back to when Monst and I got called the "c" word...
     
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  17. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    No need for any of that. I've already told you that even if you are 100% telling the truth, it's still against the spirit of the rule. Keep playing with your account or don't play at all. I'd rather you keep playing, but in the end I'm fine either way. Do what will make you happy. Nothing personal against you or your girlfriend, I'm just trying to run a clean game. And if your girlfriend becomes an active member of the forum she'll be good to go for next year if anyone else decides to run the game.
     
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  18. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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  19. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    your rules clearly state which votes count and which votes don't count. you have changed that rule by not counting a vote that should count.

    and you keep referring to another rule that you think was broken but has not been broken. anyone that can read plain english in a rule that they made and accept an offer to prove we are 2 different people, would know that, that rule was not broken.
     
  20. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Bro, I think you're missing the point. It's not that nobody believes you. That's irrelevant in all of this. The issue here is the fact that it's a brand new account, from a member who has been heavily invested in the game, suddenly created to sway the vote from regular members also heavily invested in the game. Then, that said account is here for the sole purpose of only voting in this game, to alter the outcome, and then not return until next year. I mean, I could just as easily tell my fiance to open up an account here, and do this every two hours. The fact of me asking her to, or not doesnt really matter. The point is, the game is meant to be run and voted in by regular members of the website. Not someone who is showing up just to vote, and "support the cause" of another member. That being said, I do have to agree that it's a bit curious to see, the posts look identical, same short forms, same lack of punctuation and formatting, always shortly after one another, etc, etc. As I said, im not saying nobody believes you, but in the context of it all, it looks odd, and its really just a way around the rule of no multiple accounts, whether she wanted to do it or not... As I said, I could get my fiance to do it, or my buddy who's a USC/Reggie Bush fan, or anyone I work with... but that just takes away from the game, and the fact that the winner of this game is usually voted on by the members of this website, not people who are recruited from outside, or show up solely to vote in the game it self. At least thats the intention of it, and the spirit of the game.
     
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  21. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Absolutely last thing I'll say on the topic. This is an internet game. I took great pains over the years to come up with a set of rules for a clean game. That said, clearly there are some loopholes. So since you haven't been understanding what I say when I talk about "Spirit of the rule" here's what I mean (from Wikipedia):

     
  22. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    i agree it would get out of hand and that behavior should be frowned upon. but i have not done what you are suggesting would happen and niether did my girlfriend. she was obviously trying to flatter me by doing what she did. not many people have someone in their lives to go to that extent to flatter someone. bottom line is that no rules were broken and we are talking about 2 votes here. 2 votes aren't gonna sway this game but what has happened has caused me to no longer play this game. change the rules next year or stick to your own rules this year. your own rules give you no authority to not count those votes.
     
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  23. arsenal

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    Bush, Reggie [296] -
    Wake, Cameron [179] +

    almost regular season time, lets see who can earn our votes
     
  24. flounder97

    flounder97 Well-Known Member

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    Both of them have already earned it with what was done last season and this offseason. I'd love to have an offensive and defensive winner, but there can only be one.
     
  25. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    MonstBlitz.

    You had 2 choices when you suspected Ricky created a dummy account. You could prove it, or you could believe him.

    You haven't done either.

    What you have done is drift between the two.

    Let's take Ricky at his word, if for no other reason because it doesn't really cost you anything to do so.

    You now have 3 options.

    1. You can decide to fight fire with fire, and enlist those friends to vote. Though I understand why you wouldn't want to because that isn't the game you intended to play when you created it. But it isn't against the rules.

    2. You could change the rules midstream, or simply stretch the "no multiple account" rule into "no friends of members may create accounts and vote" rule by invoking the "spirit" of the rule.

    If you believe a "friends of members" rule is so obviously interpreted from the spirit of the "no multiple accounts" rule, I don't understand how something so obvious wouldn't already be spelled out.

    3. You could just leave it alone. Reggie is going to win, Ricky's GF's account would at best delay that by half a day.

    You chose option 2.

    The Spirit of the rule argument just doesn't hold water for me. Mostly because this game isn't decided by quantity of individual voters as much as the intensity by which they play ( ex. - setting an alarm for every two hours.)

    I would argue that Spirit of the game trumps the Spirit of just one of it's many rules.

    MonstBlitz, the above is nothing personal, just my two cents (long winded) I appreciate what you do, and thank you for creating and running this game.
     
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  26. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Bush, Reggie [297] +
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  27. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Don't you agree however that it's absolutely ridiculous to think you would have to do either one of the 3 options, and that people would try and circumvent the rules in such a fashion in an attemp to swing a vote in this game one way or another? I mean, lets be serious here. We all understand the intent of this game, for the sites members to vote for a winner. Not for the sites members to try and find people from all walks of their life to come and vote. This isnt some social media gone viral type of competition where you should be telling your friends to vote as often as possible. I don't understand why its so difficult for people to just show up every 2 hours, or whenever they want and vote, end of story. It's about the active members of this site IMO. Not anyone and everyone you can find to vote. Afterall, who really cares what outsiders think when it comes to the game? The problem is, if you allow one person to do it, whether the rule is there spelled out down to the letter, or whether its vague and open ended like it may be, then you allow everyone to do it, having all of their friends vote, who are irrelevant to this site all but once a year when the game is run, and you water the entire thing down, which makes the entire game pointless. I think that's the greater part of this debate here.
     
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  28. Ophinerated

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  29. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I didn't realize that was part of the rules.

    Still low Monst
     
  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I see little difference between this and going to different forums recruiting people to your side or bouncing around votes just to prolong the game.
     
  32. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    i totally agree. the problem is i am not guilty of what you are implying. if i was guilty i promise there would be more than 2 votes. if anyone was guilty of what you are implying i would be saying the same thing that you are saying to them even if they were voting for wake.
     
  33. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Bro, I'm not saying anyone is guilty. Im just saying, the particular situation, takes the game and waters it down from what is actually intended. The active, contributing, members of this website, battling and voting for a winner.

    Lets just all burry this thing, and carry on as we were prior to yesterday :lol:
     
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  34. Sippi

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  35. arsenal

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  36. JDelenne

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  37. finyank13

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  38. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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  39. Ophinerated

    Ophinerated Preposterous!

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    post #4600 was skipped... fixing count

    EDIT: post #4598 was also skipped... fixing again

    Bush, Reggie [294]
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  40. brandon27

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